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Trouble with 308's

 
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:29 AM
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Re: Trouble with 308's

I got the 1 shot lube with my reloading kit, but I'm not impressed with it at all. The amount of force needed to do the same job is higher than with the grease I use which is why I switched. Its not that I'm unwilling to try something novel...

Unless one is asleep at the wheel, one can see when lube buildup starts to occur right on the cartridge itself, long before the point that it causes dents. Then I just wipe down the die and carry on.

Applying the grease is harder to do that spraying the one shot, that I would have to agree, but I am not satisfied with how it works. It makes quite a mess too, I don't like spraying anything near my reloading bench.

Just another way how you can never get people to agree on exactly how to do anything... But I have never had a stuck case yet in any of my dies.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:41 AM
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I use that Redding Imperial Sizing Wax. Works like a champ for me. Especially since i neck-size, and all I have to do is stick the case mouth in the wax up to the shoulder...Twist, then pull out. It puts enough on the die & expander ball, that you can do about 5 cases before having to dip another one. Great stuff.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:03 PM
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I got the 1 shot lube with my reloading kit, but I'm not impressed with it at all. The amount of force needed to do the same job is higher than with the grease I use which is why I switched. Its not that I'm unwilling to try something novel...

Unless one is asleep at the wheel, one can see when lube buildup starts to occur right on the cartridge itself, long before the point that it causes dents. Then I just wipe down the die and carry on.

Applying the grease is harder to do that spraying the one shot, that I would have to agree, but I am not satisfied with how it works. It makes quite a mess too, I don't like spraying anything near my reloading bench.

Just another way how you can never get people to agree on exactly how to do anything... But I have never had a stuck case yet in any of my dies.
Fair statement to a point. The effort expended and felt in the actuator arm of your press has little to do with the lubrication of the case and everything to do with the degree of resizing thats occuring within the die itself. You've alluded in the past that you were involved in swaging dies. Same principles apply. Same release compound.

Brass, by it's alloy makeup, is naturally slippery. The 'lube' is there to prevent the case from 'sticking' in the die as it's resized (from localized heat) and in essence, you don't have to 'lube' a case to neck size, because the brass (if annealed properly) will neck size without sticking. I never lube to neck size, but the cases are clean and the die bore is clean. I clean my dies with brake cleaner regularly while I'm reloading, like every 15 cases.

You obviouisly have some 'one shot' pineing away on the shelf. Here's the way I apply mine....

Take about 20 cases (that have been cleaned and are free from any foreign material....cob bits, shavings, etc.,) and put them in a zip lock plastic bag, Take your one shot and agitate the can (it has a ball inside, shake it up for a minute and rattle that ball real good) You need to get the release compound in suspension in the carrier.

Put the red straw in the nozzle and spray a bit in the open bag, zip the zip lock closure almost closed, but not quite.

Stick the straw in the opening and give it a good squirt and immediately close the bag, seal it. Then 'make bread' with the brass and the one shot. Toss those suckers around in that bag, toss 'em around good for at least 30 seconds.

Open the bag and dump the contents on a table or your bench AND LET THEM SIT AND DRY FOR A COUPLE MINUTES. Thats the key, they have to be dry as it's really a dry release compound. Then resize the usual way.

Been doing thousands of cases using that procedure (my BIL clued me in a while ago).

Forget spraying the cases in a loading block, that sucks and it's messy. Key is even distributiuon over the case (and inside the case mouth so the expander ball can take advantage of the release compound).

I never have an issue

I have a case lube pad and a tin of sizing wax if anyone wants them. Both unused. Might be a bit dusty, been sitting for a while now.
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:05 PM
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Re: Trouble with 308's

Yes, bingo, those are called Berdan primers. Pins break when they cant find a hole to go thru.. Just chuck ‘em to the scrap bin… more Pita than its worth. Somebody needs to read their reloading manual, this is basic stuff. Also, when you have crimped primers they tend to not come out too easy, but they will.. you can use a shell holder, a hammer, and a punch pin or buy a separate decapping punch to knock the primers out, (just make sure their not Berdan first).. Military or Lake City brass is much tougher to size also, you will need quite a LOT of leverage to size em, if you have a small chamber, have fun..(you didn’t say what gun your reloading for).. careful how much your actually sizing them though, if they are excessively fired ‘out’, you will potentially be overworking them..
Also note, Berdan primed cases tend to have primers ‘staked’ in as opposed to crimped, you will see what appears to be 3 indentation marks around the primer pocket. (just chuck ‘em)...

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