I have had two not expand. First was 225 yds in the shoulder. Deer dropped in it's tracks. I gave him 30 minutes......Went to retrieve. I got 40 yds from him and he got up and ran off. No blood. I have taken shots out to 500 yds probably 40+ deer over my lifetime in shoulder, neck and head with other guns. Have killed three since then with perfect shot placement. I do not consider myself an expert but have taken my share of game. The second was at 257. Shot again in the shoulder. Deer ran........I had maybe 25 yds of a blood trail (more like a nose bleed) then nothing. Found the deer a week later. Perfect shot placement. 1 inch behind the shoulder. No exit hole. The bullets didn't expand. I have shot three since then with barnes and recovered all three. I am not saying that the scirroco will not kill. I am just relating my experience for others. I hope both were flukes. I was comfortable enough on the first one after watching him fall through the scope, I texted my buddy to tell him how lethal they were. Little did I know what was in store. I have been hunting for over two decades and have only lost four deer. Two of which were in the same weekend with the same bullet. I do not believe I will try them again. I wish others the best as I am not trying to undermine a good thing, I am just relating personal experience.
oh Bullet was the 6.5 130 gr. 6.5X .284 loaded with re22 over a CCI BR primer traveling 2923 at 15 yds out of a cooper model 21 phoenix. Aggregate from this gun is a .384 at 100 yds with this combination @ 78 rounds
I don't guess it is hi jacking if it is own thread.;)
I shot a doe last year at ultra-un-longrange. 75yrds. Deer was facing me. 150g Sirocco enter just to the R of midline. Plowed through lungs, chest, liver, and bowel. Nasty. Never found the bullet but there was zero blood to follow. She ran close to 100 yrds. Penetate yes. Like a laser.
I learned two things.
1)High shoulder shot/spine shot doesnt leave doo-doo on your meat
2)penetration does not always equal quick death.
I have not had a chance to load the e-tip yet. I don't believe they were available when I was creating the load for my .280. Do they offer a 6.5? As Noslers are inherintly accurate, If my 6.5 x.284 doesn't like the Barnes I have on the way (ordered Saturday) I may try them.
Nope, they don't have a 6.5 yet. They look like they have a lot of promise, but have not been proven in the field except preliminary tests in Africa.
My buddy MT Mulie just shot a bull elk last weekend w/ the .308 180g E-Tip. I think he said he shot it at 450yrds and dumped it like you pulled a rug out from under it. Took the top of the lungs and some of the spine I think. Maybe he will chime in and tell story.