I shoot 9.0 grains of Blue Dot in my Rock River Varminter. Not exactly sure what the velocity is, but it is an extremely quit load(40 grain Berger). I have read about hand loader's going with lower loads of BD, for an even more quit load. Blue Dot does not seem to be position sensitive. Subsonic is tough in the light caliber's.
I shoot 3.0 grains of Red Dot in my 45-70 1885 Browning. You can hear the hammer drop-noise is all but non-existant. Accuracy is good out to about 40 yards. I do not know what the velocity is, but it knocks squirrel's and crows dead out to 40 yards. I shoot a round ball with this load. I am going to work up a load with a 405 grain pill, I suspect it will take 4.0 grains to get acceptable accuracy. Tom.
Last edited by HOGGHEAD; 10-06-2007 at 09:41 PM.