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Stumped! Chamber pressure

 
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Old 12-15-2012, 05:26 PM
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Stumped! Chamber pressure

As a shooter and reloader for more than 40 years I'm stumped today with an issue. I just purchased a Cooper 52 Excalibur in a 6.5X284 Norma. The gun is used but looks as new. First shots down the tube and stuck case. After attempting several rounds I found Lapua new brass @ minimum load didn't stick but increase it by only one grain and brass sticks. 130 gr AccuBond with 49.5 grains H 4831SC sticks 48.5 grains OK. 140 gr Sierra HPBT 47 gr. H4831SC sticks 46 grains some OK and some stick. Tried Winchester brass and 140 gr Sierra with 45.5 gr. H4831SC sticks 45 grains OK Tried Retumbo and even with minimum load sticks brass. Tried 142 SMK, 140 VLD and 120 Nosler Bal. Tips all the brass sticks. I have two other 6.5's and have had three others and none of them have given me pressure problems until max. Any suggestions would be appreciated. The pressures great enough that you can't neck size the brass and get it to chamber must be full sized and then it's tight.
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Old 12-15-2012, 05:54 PM
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Re: Stumped! Chamber pressure

when you say the cases stick... do you mean it's a sticky bolt lift, but it'll still extract?

or do you have to punch the case out with a rod from the muzzle?

do you have any scratch marks on the case wall or neck area that would indicate where the cases are hanging?
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:01 PM
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Re: Stumped! Chamber pressure

No stiff bolt lift like normal pressure sign but case sticks need ram rod to tap out. Case does not show any other than normal marks, that was my first thought a rough chamber.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:05 PM
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Re: Stumped! Chamber pressure

About 3 years ago my son got a A Bolt in 338 win mag and had
The same issues. When it was first purchased we loaded for
it with starting loads and every once in a while we had the
case stick. I tried loading 1 grain more and all of them stuck.
Different powders and different bullets gave the same results.
Funny thing was that was the only pressure sign. Cases measured
fine, primers looked good and no ejection marks. Took it to a smith
and he found nothing wrong. Ended up trading it on a X bolt
and did tell the shop owner of the issues. To this day I think it was
a rough chamber or that far out of line that it stuck everything.
Along with that when it did shoot the groups were 10" at 100 yards.
I know this isn't the answer your looking for but I hope it helps somewhat.
PaLuke
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:10 PM
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Re: Stumped! Chamber pressure

check your bolt lugs for marks which could come from a screw in the scope base... not sure if the Cooper could have this issue, but give the bolt lugs a good going over. Sometimes this will only come up after the round is fired and bolt lugs are pressed hard under pressure...
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:16 PM
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Re: Stumped! Chamber pressure

a loose extractor and not enough primary extraction on the bolt handle to cam surface, sounds like the problem, look at the bolthandle to cam angle contact the next time you fire a stuck load, if you open the bolt and the cam runs out and the case is still stuck it is likly those 2 things in combination.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:30 PM
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Re: Stumped! Chamber pressure

It's got Talley one piece ring/base and the screws are plenty short and don't stick through, great idea though. I re examined the brass and can't see any sign of sticking from rough chamber. I have 9 other Coopers so I'm sure I can send it back to them. In my conversations with them they seem very good about customer service. Don't really want to send it back, don't want them to tell me to shoot minimum load cases. Really makes it hard to do load development. I'd like to figure it out.
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