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Old 10-09-2010, 05:58 PM
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Shells sticking in chamber/bullet die.

I have a Wilson chamber type bullet seater for my 6.5x284. It was supplied with my gun and I've never used one before. They're pretty simple to use but my problem is the shell sticks in the die. Not real tight but tight enough that I have to pluck it out with a small screwdriver. Sometimes I have to pry hard enough that the screwdriver makes a small nick on the rim of the shell. This can't be right. Shouldn't the shell fall right out? I thought maybe it was stiction caused by leftover lube on the case but I cleaned a couple cases with alcohol and it still did it. Any insight from you guys would help.
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I have a Wilson chamber type bullet seater for my 6.5x284. It was supplied with my gun and I've never used one before. They're pretty simple to use but my problem is the shell sticks in the die. Not real tight but tight enough that I have to pluck it out with a small screwdriver. Sometimes I have to pry hard enough that the screwdriver makes a small nick on the rim of the shell. This can't be right. Shouldn't the shell fall right out? I thought maybe it was stiction caused by leftover lube on the case but I cleaned a couple cases with alcohol and it still did it. Any insight from you guys would help.
I'm assuming you are refering to a loaded round that has it's neck stuck in the Wilson bushing. I would measure the neck wall, and then double that number plus the bullet diameter. Go for about .0035" grip on the bullet, but no more than .005" (that's a lot of grip). In the end you might end up having to open up the neck area of the seating die a couple thousandths, or shaving the necks (best way). I've always found Wilson dies work best with shaved necks in the past, and I use several different sets of them. What size bushing are you using in the sizing die? I'd think a .296 or .297 would be about right
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I've always found Wilson dies work best with shaved necks in the past, and I use several different sets of them. What size bushing are you using in the sizing die? I'd think a .296 or .297 would be about right
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I have three bushings for my Redding die, a .290, .291 and a .293. Right now I'm using the .291. I wonder if I use the .290 bushing if that extra .001 thou would make a difference.
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I have three bushings for my Redding die, a .290, .291 and a .293. Right now I'm using the .291. I wonder if I use the .290 bushing if that extra .001 thou would make a difference.
I'd try it on a couple cases to see if it helps. The wall thickness on the .284 case is about .018"!! (Winchester case), and when you add .036" to .264 you get .300. I'd at least shave the necks down to .296. Better yet would be to take the .293 bushing, and size a case. Measure the I.D. (don't use a caliper!). It should be about .263, but I'm betting you'll see something around .258 or less.

If you have access to a set of small hole gauges, then use them with a micrometer. Calipers have flats on the blades, that will give you a little error in your readings. I recommend the set of small hole gauges from Mitutoyo or Brown & Sharp for everyone interested in precision ammo.

Another thing to check on is to see if the cases have the dreaded doughnut at the base of the neck. (.284 cases are famous for this) With the doughnut ring in there the neck wall will expand a little more than the rest of the neck when you seat the bullet (assuming your going deep into the neck)
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"I wonder if I use the .290 bushing if that extra .001 thou would make a difference. "

Well, you have the bushing and it's cheap to try, so why not???

Fact is, the final diameter of the loaded round is determined by the bullet diameter and the thickness of the necks. You could size them with a .285" bushing and they should end up the same finished diameter.
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"I wonder if I use the .290 bushing if that extra .001 thou would make a difference. "

Well, you have the bushing and it's cheap to try, so why not???

Fact is, the final diameter of the loaded round is determined by the bullet diameter and the thickness of the necks. You could size them with a .285" bushing and they should end up the same finished diameter.
I think your right. I tried the .290 bushing and it didn't make any difference. I turned my neck but not much. I was just truing them up so I basicaly just took a little skiff off of one side.
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I'd try it on a couple cases to see if it helps. The wall thickness on the .284 case is about .018"!! (Winchester case), and when you add .036" to .264 you get .300. I'd at least shave the necks down to .296. Better yet would be to take the .293 bushing, and size a case. Measure the I.D. (don't use a caliper!). It should be about .263, but I'm betting you'll see something around .258 or less.

If you have access to a set of small hole gauges, then use them with a micrometer. Calipers have flats on the blades, that will give you a little error in your readings. I recommend the set of small hole gauges from Mitutoyo or Brown & Sharp for everyone interested in precision ammo.

Another thing to check on is to see if the cases have the dreaded doughnut at the base of the neck. (.284 cases are famous for this) With the doughnut ring in there the neck wall will expand a little more than the rest of the neck when you seat the bullet (assuming your going deep into the neck)
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I have access to hole gauges at work. I'll shave a bit off the neck as per your recomendation and I'll bet that solves it.

I checked for a donut ring inside the base of the neck and it was smooth. I've only fired these Lapua cases once so I'll keep an eye on that.

I'll let you guys know how it goes. Chuck.
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