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Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

 
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:17 PM
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Re: Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

Glad to have helped some dawg. And thanks to all that helped me. My savage LRH is out for deer season I think. Season is only 3 weeks off here and while shooting Sunday a screw sheared off on the Leupold ring base. Emailed them soon as I got home. No response yet. Money is too tight right now with the house remodel to drop $100+ on a new set. Hopefully the get back to me soon
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:17 AM
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Re: Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

Good news. My savage season may be saved Leupold emailed me back. They will replace the ring lower half for shipping only....$5. I couldn't ask for much better than that. If it gets here soon I may get it sighted back in before season
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:40 AM
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Re: Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

FYI

I bought a Hornady Head Space gage that measures mid way on the shoulder with a .375 bore. This is similar to the 3/8th pipe method but this kit has HS gages for all the chamberings so I got it.

New Lapau brass. 1.832
1 x fired and neck sized 1.840, no shoulder bump.
Multiple fired cases showed 1.8415 after firing. They had been body die resized after 6 reloads and this the first firing after sizing.
Multiple reloaded cases with body die shoulder bump showed 1.838 - 1.839.

Advice from another thread I started is to shoulder bump back from 1.840 to 1.838.

My body die is a Redding. My neck die is RCBS bushing with .292 insert.
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:16 AM
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Re: Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

Learned a few things this weekend while out shooting and helping a friend work up a load for his 260. Unfortunately his brand new CCI primers kept miss firing so we had to switch out to WLR and then to Fed 210M. It was a mess for awhile.

I shot 4064, IMR 4831, superformance, and Retumbo. Retumbo is a very dirty powder but produces the best overall performance blend of speed accuracy. The others have there place as well. I was using Target VLD's for load work up and at .015 of the lands and super the group at 200 was .5 moa TOTAL over 5 powder weight changes. Crazy.

*** Testing day was windy as hell and not consistent.

My rifle does not like the larger bearing surface bullets close to the lands. It shoots them well at .075 to .100 off the lands depending the pressure.

Accuracy was found at 2750, 2850, and 2950. I had 1 load with 55.5 gr, .094 off the lands that shot .25 moa at 200 (2850 fps) (this was 6 shots). Another accuracy node that was ok at 55.5/.072 @2940 and 56.5/.100 @2940. Both shot .5 moa. ES seems tight at 56.5gr.

The 160 matrix likes .100 off the lands too. Again, larger bearing surface.

My shoulder has to be bumped back to 1.838 or 1.839 in order to feed without bolt resistence. On old brass it looks like I will need to bump back every reload. On new brass it looks like I can neck size for 2-3 firings and then will need to bump. This seems to give me the least amount of pressure signs and likley is allowing the case to expand enough to keep a more even pressure curve. That is likely what is giving me the lower ES's. ??

Bore scoping a stainless barrel that is clean is difficult for me. A carbon steel barrel is easier to read for sure. I am using a Snap on bore scope and found if I fouled the barrel it was easier to read. Comparing my barrel with close to 800 rounds now to my 06, my buddies new 260, and a new 7mm08, I don't see anything that shows significant throat wear. The beginning of the rifling shows a ramp that seems normal and of course "broke in". I will try and get an image from the scope on the computer to show you guys.

Curious, would you guys go with the 2850 fps load and .25moa (could be less, it was really windy) or stick with 2940 and .5 moa?
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:39 AM
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Re: Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

I have read this whole thread and didn't see anyone running the 127 barnes lrx, does anyone have some data for that bullet?

I want to use it for my africa trip but would like to save a little $$ if i can in development costs.

I got my first 22 rounds shot in mine this weekend and it was 15-25 mph winds from 9 oclock. did't chrono because i was breaking in. i had the bergers loaded to .010 off and man there isn't much in the case. here are the targets. not great but some promise. i was using retumbo. I also shot some hornady 140 sst's as my sighters with 56gn retumbo and they shoot pretty good those also were at .010 off.

58gn was max in my gun so i didn't shoot the 58.5 -- had a little primer cratering and gas leakage around primer with the 58gn load.





thanks in advance for the help.

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Old 11-05-2013, 09:40 AM
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Re: Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

Retumbo fills up the case for sure. I run 140 bergers and 160 matrix at .100 off the lands and all is good. Your rifle has a shorter throat than mine: OAL for 140 for me is 2.482 for .100 off. That means 2.582 is touching the lands.

Who knows what your rifle will like but the powder level on the bottom left target with Berger looks promising. I would do a seating depth test with that load.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:00 AM
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Re: Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

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Retumbo fills up the case for sure. I run 140 bergers and 160 matrix at .100 off the lands and all is good. Your rifle has a shorter throat than mine: OAL for 140 for me is 2.482 for .100 off. That means 2.582 is touching the lands.

Who knows what your rifle will like but the powder level on the bottom left target with Berger looks promising. I would do a seating depth test with that load.
that is the 57.5 load i am also using 9 1/2 mag primers.

I am going to load that load with seating depths from touching to .100 off at .02 steps and see what happens. also want to chrono the load.

also going to try h4831sc with the 140's and 127 LRX
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