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Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

 
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Old 02-16-2013, 03:14 PM
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Re: Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

The die came with a normal expander ball installed with the decapping rod. It also came with a smaller decapping rod retainer that will hold the decapping rod without expanding the neck. For neck sizing with a .292" bushing which should I use??
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Old 02-16-2013, 03:43 PM
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Re: Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

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The die came with a normal expander ball installed with the decapping rod. It also came with a smaller decapping rod retainer that will hold the decapping rod without expanding the neck. For neck sizing with a .292" bushing which should I use??
There are various opinions on this, but with my 6.5x284's I use the expanded ball. I check my runout though. On some of my other cartridges I improve runout without the expander. My run outs with my 6.5x284's with Lapua and Noser brass is under .001-.002". I have heard that the writing on the bushing for the dye should face down. I have used them both ways and don't believe it makes any difference. I also leave a very slight amount of play on the bushing so you can just hear a faint click when you shake it. Once I get this, I then tighten the lock nut. Maybe all this isn't necessary, but with neck sized loads I get .25MOA or better.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:40 PM
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Re: Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

Thanks everyone. I will size some in a bit and try this thing out.
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:30 PM
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Thanks everyone. I will size some in a bit and try this thing out.
ShootnMathews, A well established BR fellow on 6mm BR.com says to get rid of the expander ball altogether as it tends to pull the neck off center. He stated that he shoots golf balls at 800 yds. Read comments by FROGGY. I removed mine from the comp. dies and got perfect alignment. Good luck and keep shooting those bug holes. .....SEMPER FI!
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:58 AM
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ShootnMathews, A well established BR fellow on 6mm BR.com says to get rid of the expander ball altogether as it tends to pull the neck off center. He stated that he shoots golf balls at 800 yds. Read comments by FROGGY. I removed mine from the comp. dies and got perfect alignment. Good luck and keep shooting those bug holes. .....SEMPER FI!
Sarge. I agree with this viewpoint if the expander causes runout. This is caused by the expander/primer pin shaft being out of alignment, which is a very common occurrence with many dyes with the possible exception of the Redding competition dyes. At least the ones I own. I will generally not use the expander anyway, but with a few exceptions. With the 6.5x284 in particular, the.new Lapua cases have a neck OD that runs .290". Even with a properly shaped cup on your seater dye the added seating pressure can deform the Berger VLD's if the neck isn't expanded. Since my runout measurements show no difference in runout with or without the expander, it's very convenient just to run my new cases through my dye to expand the neck size to .292". Its important to use a little case lube on the case mouth when you do this. New cases will produce results virtually identica to my fired cases using the approach. IMHO.
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Sarge. I agree with this viewpoint if the expander causes runout. This is caused by the expander/primer pin shaft being out of alignment, which is a very common occurrence with many dyes with the possible exception of the Redding competition dyes. At least the ones I own. I will generally not use the expander anyway, but with a few exceptions. With the 6.5x284 in particular, the.new Lapua cases have a neck OD that runs .290". Even with a properly shaped cup on your seater dye the added seating pressure can deform the Berger VLD's if the neck isn't expanded. Since my runout measurements show no difference in runout with or without the expander, it's very convenient just to run my new cases through my dye to expand the neck size to .292". Its important to use a little case lube on the case mouth when you do this. New cases will produce results virtually identica to my fired cases using the approach. IMHO.
Hello Greyfox, i was repeating what a fellow with a good bit more experience with the 6.5x284 than i have. I tried it and it worked for me with the Redding Comp. Dies. I'm not disputing what works for you. If it works, do it. After all, we are always in a learning stage when reloading, Right? I always tell people, "what ever blows your britches leg up". As for the Berger bullets being deformed during the seating process, i have never had a problem. I always lube the necks and the bullet. Probably why i have no problems. I guess most of us follow the same lines to some extent. Anyway keep shooting those bug holes. Keep in touch. .....SEMPER FI! ....LARRY
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:30 PM
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Re: Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions

Well I don't have any runout gage. I probably should get one. I checked some of the neck sized loaded rounds by rolling them across my table. Yes I know, not scientific and not accurate but I could not see any wobble whatsoever in the bullet so it can't be way off.
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