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Old 07-02-2010, 09:18 PM
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Reloading for VLD bullets

I seem to have the hardest time loading up VLD bullets! I don't know if I don’t have enough patience or what. I will start with my most recent pain. Winchester model 70 7mmWSM benchmark barrel trued action and bedded. Loaded up some 168 bergers the other day for it following bergers loading instructions with the distance off the lands deal. .010 off the lands didn’t shoot for nothing, .035 off the lands didn’t shoot for nothing, then .050 off the lands it put 3 in just over 1/4 MOA. I’m thinking to myself finally I get some VLD's to shoot great I was so amazed. But in the back of my mind I’m thinking no way could this be true. So head back home and load up 6 with the same exact load that had shot 1/4 MOA the day before and 6 loaded up at .040 off the lands and head to the range. I will also mention that after I had shot the 1/4 moa group I cleaned the rifle like I normally do. Once I got to the range I put 2 fouling shots through it and loaded up the .050 off the lands rounds, needless to say it put 4 in a group about the size of a pie plate and the same for the ones that were loaded .040 off the lands. MV's were 3020-3030 with an ES of around 12. My next headache would be for a .264 win mag. Got some 140 JLK's thinking if I can get these things to shoot it would be just sweet. pretty much the same story as above but one day it shot 1/2 to 1/4 inch with them loaded .1 off the lands and the next day there at 4-5 inch groups with the same exact load and same lot of prepped brass, the same day just after shooting 4-5 inch groups with the jlks I throw in my trusty amax load and it shot 1/4" just like it always does with amax. Just seems to me like I have the hardest time getting them to shoot consistently, they will show some promise one day and the next day they will just tick me off. Seems like the amaxs will always shoot consistent and hardly ever give me any surprises. Appears that a lot of people love the berger bullets but I just can’t, not yet anyway. Anyone have some tricks that could help me out?
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:32 PM
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Re: Reloading for VLD bullets

It is possible that 2 shots are not enough to fully foul the barrel after a good cleaning.
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:33 PM
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Re: Reloading for VLD bullets

.030
.050
.090
.130
These depths are off the lands
Shoot 6 rounds each seating depth at 200 yards this will give you a good starting point for your load if you get lucky you will find a good load during the test.

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Old 07-02-2010, 09:34 PM
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Re: Reloading for VLD bullets

Are you measuring your COAL from base of brass to tip of bullet to get ''consistant'' seating depth, or using a Hornady tool and measuring to the Ogive? Do you have a way to measure runout? It seems somewhat rare, but it does happen that some rifles just like what they like. Maybe your rifle doesnt like VLD's. or maybe its something simple, like measuring with a comparator. They seem to be the most honest way to get a true measurement.
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Re: Reloading for VLD bullets

yes i am using a bullet comparator. And i can see that its possible 2 shots might not be enough to fould out a barrel but i have had the same results with at least 4 different rifles. I know i have enough twist to shoot the 168 7mm vlds. And might not have enough for the jlk's outta my 264 but it shot 1/4 inch one day and 4 inches the next.
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Re: Reloading for VLD bullets

Im stumped. But Ill bet Boomtube, or Boss Hoss or one of the other B/R shooters will chime in and point out something obvious (to them) that were missing. You got me wondering.......
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Re: Reloading for VLD bullets

I feel your pain and gave up myself! Wasted many bullets, powders, & primers trying to get the VLD to fly. Best I could achieve was MOA in a 25-06. Also tried them in my 7mm RM & 300 WM with no better results. Many who have had success will tell you it takes some distance before the bullet goes to sleep and load developement needs to be done further than the normal 100 yards. It truely is a long range bullet and not sure how well it would perform as far as expandtion on game animals at high velocity under 100 yards anyways.

With other bullets that I have had success with, your TTSX, Combined Technology, Sierra and so on, I seem to find best results when I know what the particular rifles velocity vibration nodes are. Accuracy was there if I targeted those velocities no matter which bullet I was testing though one bullet would stand out from the others. However, I did change the way I did my testing and got away from the basic ladder work-up and switched to Dan Newbury's method. Simular in some aspects to the ladder but uses a round robin approach which has yielded a much easier and faster way to locate those velocity nodes. But nothing I own liked the VLD no matter what I tried. Followed Bergers recommedations to a tee with no success and decided they were not worth the effort and moved on. If punching paper is your game you can't go wrong with the SMK or if your looking for a hunting bullet there are better bullets out there that are less difficult to work with. IMO


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