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Reloading Manuals - Pros and Cons

 
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:08 AM
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Well Dan green 788, you're a sponsor and all and me just a little junior member, but please back up what you say. Am I now supposed to add a few grains to my Sierra "book" loads and see what happens based on your post? You know the drill, all is fine until you exceed max pressure several times and then KABOOM! Or am I supposed to call you and send $$$ so you will bless me with your wisdom and wonder loads. Please spare me.
Dang! What did I miss?
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:10 AM
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Re: Reloading Manuals - Pros and Cons

not much... someone just left the gate unlocked at the asylum... :o
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Dang! What did I miss?
Me too. Just reading along and bam.

Good point Dan about old manuals and Nosler also is somewhat limited in their suggestions for powders.

I use Lee Modern Reloading Manual - 2nd Edition for most of my loads-357 mag, 357 Max, 44 mag, 223, 243. As well as the Hornady Manual.

I cross reference them with online data from Steve's Pages-- index --one of my favorites, and web sites of the powder companies to include Products - Lapua

Any loads I get from forums or shooting websites I check against these sources.

Another check against old or suspicious load data is to call or email powder companies directly. I have talked to or emailed people at Hornady, Lyman, Accurate powder, Lee Reloading and CCI Primers.

Each company has technicians or ballisticians who are more than glad to discuss any issue or share information.

I also reload 12 ga. slugs and have used Lyman data, Lightfield's data and customer support, Sabot Pressure wad - Slugs R Us / Rottweil Laser Plus Sabot Slug both their posted data and direct calls to Rich-owner.
Even then you may run into a wall-I called Remington to try to find load data on their .357 - 180 gr. Semi-Jacketed Hollow Point. "we don't suggest loads for our bullets" was the answer I got. The actual bullet was not in any of my resources and I emailed several people who were using it in rifles and tc encore handguns(as was I) and got starting loads.
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Re: Reloading Manuals - Pros and Cons

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And Nosler... in addition to "pie in the sky" velocity figures, Nosler's new manual (the number 6) says they developed their loads using Nosler brass...

Problem is... Nosler shows EXACTLY the same starting and max loads, and EXACTLY the same velocities they showed in the number 5 manual--with WINCHESTER brass... hmmm... in other words, they're lying, obviously. The Nosler cases are thick and awfully similar to Federal cases... so load data as compared to Winchester cased loads would be WAY off...


Dan
I just picked up a Nosler manual...#7...and Im sort of impressed with it. And it takes a lot to impress me at all.
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Good point Dan about old manuals and Nosler also is somewhat limited in their suggestions for powders.
If Nosler or any company published a manual that listed the majority of powders; cases and primers for each caliber.....the manual would be a foot thick and no one could afford it!
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Re: Reloading Manuals - Pros and Cons

Wow. Getting some pretty unfriendly posting going on here. I think when someone expresses an opinion, it should be taken as just that and accusations should not be leveled unless that person is giving advice that could result in a dangerous situation for other shooters.
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If Nosler or any company published a manual that listed the majority of powders; cases and primers for each caliber.....the manual would be a foot thick and no one could afford it!
It's already been done-
Lee's Second edition lists 160 cartridge types and over 28,000 loads--150 powders--and their manual is the same size as Noslers. Very little empty white space, lots of info.

Available for $13.99 at
Lee Modern Reloading 2nd Edition Reloading Manual

Nosler listed 6 loads in their manual and 4 on their website. In their manual there is 2 1/2 inches of empty space on their page for the 357 max and most load pages are like that. Almost as much white space as the space they use for their load chart. Even more white space on their web site-a lot more.


Dan said- "Nosler shows EXACTLY the same starting and max loads, and EXACTLY the same velocities they showed in the number 5 manual"


Hornady states on their website--

Why does load data listed in other manufacturer’s loading manuals differ from others when loading the same cartridge?
Several factors can cause this. The size of the specific firearm chamber and throat dimensions, seating depth, bullet profile, propellant variances andcrimping depth can all contribute to variations in load data. The data found in the Hornady loading manual represents actual results derived in the HornadyBallistics Laboratory.

Nosler is probably telling the truth about developing their loads in their brass--but when did that happen?

I like and use Nosler bullets-357,44, 243,223-my opinion-especially 44 mag. I also use Hornady, Berry,lead cast, Remington and others----

but as is my choice-I go elsewhere for load data. Just my opinion.

also--I agree 100%--"I think when someone expresses an opinion, it should be taken as just that "
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