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Old 04-29-2013, 08:38 PM
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Re: Redding neck sizing problem?

The picture is a little blurry to see, but I can tell you that with the redding bushing style neck sizing and FL sizing die you will NEVER size the whole neck, there will always be some not sized. It is the way the die is manufactured and there is no way around it.
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Old 04-30-2013, 04:53 AM
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The picture is a little blurry to see, but I can tell you that with the redding bushing style neck sizing and FL sizing die you will NEVER size the whole neck, there will always be some not sized. It is the way the die is manufactured and there is no way around it.
I think hundreds (thousands?) of reloaders using them as well as Redding will disagree with that.

Why else would either die's information on Redding's web site:

Type S Bushing Dies | Redding Reloading Equipment: reloading equipment for rifles, handguns, pistols, revolvers and SAECO bullet casting equipment

have the following statement:

Note: For the ultimate shoulder bump control, use these dies with our new Competition Shellholders.

Do you think those bushings have two different diameters; a larger diameter next to their shoulder than the rest of the bushing that sizes the fired case neck down?
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:35 AM
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Re: Redding neck sizing problem?

RTK is right
The competition shell holders are related only to shoulder bumping, and not neck sizing provided by bushing. They only adjust to about 10thou(full range) if I remember right. I use some of a set with my Redding body dies. And I have a couple holders milled for one reason or another. Nothing to do with neck sizing length(a separate adjustment with limits in itself).
Redding bushings are interchangable with Wilson, which also does not size the entire neck.

There would be nothing good in FL neck sizing with a bushing anyway.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:13 AM
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Re: Redding neck sizing problem?

Bart, I called redding and asked if there were some way I could make a neck sizing die or FL sizing die size the complete neck. They said it was impossible due to the design, I then asked if I could machine (I have a buddy with a machine shop) the inside of the die at the top so the bushing would drop further down and size more of the neck, they said no, or at least would not attempt it for me.
I still think I can accomplish this on the neck sizing die because the shoulder will not be bumped back anyway and that is what supports the bushing........
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Bart, I called redding and asked if there were some way I could make a neck sizing die or FL sizing die size the complete neck. They said it was impossible due to the design, I then asked if I could machine (I have a buddy with a machine shop) the inside of the die at the top so the bushing would drop further down and size more of the neck, they said no, or at least would not attempt it for me.
RK, 'tis funny you should mention this. I just talked to Redding myself and they said two things about this issue.

* The bushings have the same diameter at both ends.

* Remove the decapping rod and the die can be set for the bushing to size the fired case neck all the way to the shoulder. Otherwise, with the decapper hardware in the die, the bushing stops a few hundredths of an inch short of sizing the complete neck and will not go further.

I thought this was reality as I'd talked with other folks using Redding full bushing dies sizing fired case necks all the way to the shoulder. They decap fired cases then clean them before sizing them.

There are top level competitors in several disciplines who just lap the neck out of a standard full length sizing die so it'll size case necks all the way to the shoulder. Sometimes the die's body will be honed/lapped out so fired case bodies do not size down more than .001"; the cases has minimal sizing and work hardening so they last for more reloads.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:57 AM
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RK, 'tis funny you should mention this. I just talked to Redding myself and they said two things about this issue.

* The bushings have the same diameter at both ends.

* Remove the decapping rod and the die can be set for the bushing to size the fired case neck all the way to the shoulder. Otherwise, with the decapper hardware in the die, the bushing stops a few hundredths of an inch short of sizing the complete neck and will not go further.

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You must have talked to a different person than I did. Not to be a prick but I am calling BS. I own a 300wm FL bushing die.

With the die I have removing the decap hardware makes no difference. The bushing bottoms out just above the shoulder on a ledge and does not touch any part of the decapping assembly.
I even lowered the die enough to slightly crush a case and it still didn't size the whole neck.......Either I got a bad die and /or the guy at redding has his head up his *****....but in my case there is NO way to size the whole neck.
Buy or barrow a die, take it appart and you will see
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You must have talked to a different person than I did. Not to be a prick but I am calling BS. I own a 300wm FL bushing die.
RTK, there may be a good reason why that was said about your 300wm FL bushing die.

I talked with the Redding man about .308 Win. full bushing dies as they're what I've talked about with others using them. They may well be different thatn a .300 Win Mag one.

Want me to get in touch with Redding and hash this out with them?

Or would you feel better if you did it yourself?
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