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Old 12-25-2005, 07:19 PM
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Redding Match Dies - Which ones?

Evenin' Folks,

I've been sittin' here, switching between the Forum and the Redding website. The debate I'm having with myself is; I'm wanting to get a set of "good" dies (not that my trusty RCBS ones are "bad") for the custom 6mmAI I'm planning to have built this coming year. This rifle will be based on a Rem. 700 action w/all the goodies, a Hvy. sporter top-brand barrel, etc., for 1,000-yd groundhog hunting.

Anyways, back to the dies. In Redding's website, I noticed they build their Type-S Match dies in both neck-size only AND full-length, as well. While one would normally not even consider full-length dies for such a gun or type of shooting, I got to thinking, "why not?". The FL match dies are bushing-type dies, they handle re-sizing the necks in exactly the same manner as the neck-sizer dies do, and the set costs about $25 less at Midway. I personnally can't see where the neck-size only die set would be any better and you could bump the shoulders & do a full-length resize anytime you needed to... What do you guys think about this? While I am quite accustomed to "standard" reloading, this will be my first crack at the long-range, serious stuff so I would appreciate any help you could offer. Thanks in advance
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Old 12-25-2005, 08:14 PM
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Re: Redding Match Dies - Which ones?

ErnieB, I went through the same dialog with myself that you are doing. I built a custom 284 Win with a BR chamber with extra neck relief. I ended up with the FL type S die and the comp seater die. I also bought a set of the competition shell holders. These shell holders are set up in .002 heights to allow you to set up your die so that you just barely bump the shoulder each time. Since I'm loading to hunt, I did not want to get a sticky bolt close like often occurs with neck sizing dies. I'm also loading "hot" loads, so my resizing step lets my brass be "sized" for proper chambering without fighting it. I've been very happy with this set up. Using good brass, I'm having loads with excellent runouts thanks to all the Redding quality. Good luck, my experience validates your "radical" thinking!!
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Old 12-25-2005, 08:44 PM
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Re: Redding Match Dies - Which ones?

Ernie, there is nothing wrong with conventional full-length sizing dies used properly for bottleneck cases. The only thing that might be done to one is to remove the decapping pin and ball then lap the neck out to a few thousandths of an inch smaller than a loaded round's neck diameter. Deprime fired cases in another die then clean 'em before lubing and sizing 'em.

Believe it or not, this type of full-length sizing die can produce excellent accuracy. They make the straightest cases 'cause there's no expander ball to bend the case neck. It is important that the fired case's shoulder be set back a couple thousandths from its fired position; that's about to the same position a new case has. Such sizing techniques can load the same rimless bottleneck dozens of times; 50 to 100 depending on how much the case body is reduced. This method is used by virtually all the top highpower rifle competitors who win the short- and long-range matches and set records doing it. The accuracy attained equals what the benchresters get. And many benchresters are starting to use this same method.

Sierra Bullets full-length sizes all their cases used to test their bullets and nobody gets smaller test groups than they do. They don't even weigh powder charges; just throw 'em straight from a powder measure. Ask 'em and they'll tell you they've been doing it since the 1950's.

In my opinion, neck sizing is what people do when they don't properly full-length size a bottleneck case. Fortunately, most people can learn how to do it.
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Old 12-26-2005, 12:53 AM
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Re: Redding Match Dies - Which ones?

Bart B -
I'm also thinking about lapping my full length sizing die..
Can I ask, what is the best way ?
Are you using a Dremel with a felt bob with polishing compound
or a Cratex point ?
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Old 12-26-2005, 05:24 AM
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Re: Redding Match Dies - Which ones?

ErnieB, give me a call.
Harren's Custom Rifles
2309 Oak Dr.
Ijamsville,Md, 21754
301-831-8068
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Old 12-26-2005, 06:17 AM
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Re: Redding Match Dies - Which ones?

I use a wood dowel with a slot in one end cut with a fine saw, then insert fine emery paper and wrap it around it such that it's a snug fit in the die's neck. Chuck the die in a lathe, then turn it at a low speed. Push the dowel in and out a few times, then clean out the residue before measuring the die's neck with a hole micrometer.
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Old 12-26-2005, 01:01 PM
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Re: Redding Match Dies - Which ones?

DocEd,
I will get in touch with you. I live just over the mountain in Middletown! BTW - I sent you an e-mail as well.

To the others,
Thanks so much for all the info. As I said, while I hunted and have been shooting for 40 yrs., this is the first truly serious long-range project I've gotten into so I'm sure I will be needing lots of help. I have been doing a lot of studying up on exterior ballistics and such since I'm sure I will need to know a lot more about that kinda stuff. No more gallon anti-freeze jugs on the fence post at 50 steps!!
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