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Old 01-30-2012, 04:37 PM
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I would absolutely not recommend a starter press that is any shorter than a Rock Crusher. I prefer the Redding and even it is not long enough to suit me. I don't think there is Jack squat of accuracy difference between any of the larger presses. Starter kits are just that, They start you buying other stuff. - Pay for it once!
There is Ken. It has to do with sliding wear between the ram and the base plate which is why it's important to keep those surfaces lubricated. A tiny bit goes a long way. Look at a New Rock Crusher and a used one and compare the hard chrome on the rams, you'll see what I'm referring to, especially one that's seen heavy use.

I use high viscosity way oil because I have it (for the machine tools) but any lubricant will work. The worst case scenario is running the ram dry. It not only increases the effort to resize, it wears the bearing surface of the base plate and the ram. I get quite a bit of crud when decapping and it collects around the shellholder and the ram. It's mildly abrasive so it needs to be cleaned off regularly, which I do.

Far as I can ascertain the only time longer ram travel and more frame clearance is needed is in 50 BMG cases.

I started out with a Lee hand press, sitting on the couch and loading. I still have it somewhere. I still hand prime every casing, on the couch, with my cat.... I have no inherent trust that I won't seat a primer proud if I used a progressive. I can 'feel' each and every primer when I hand prime. Besides, the cat likes the company. I want those primers recessed a bit and 'feeling' them tells me if they are right or not.

Probably the one thing I'm not fond of is the Lee Powder Dipper that comes with each Lee Die Set (I admit that I have a Lee set in 45 ACP as a backup to the Dillon...). I want to weigh charges not spoon them in, especially in a pistol case where a little goes a long way......
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:55 PM
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Re: Presses

We are all jabbering about equipment when in reality, this new to reloading poster needs to go get some quality reading material like the Hornady Book of Reloading or a Speer Reloading Manual and do some serious reading beforehand.

Once you get through the ya da da in the front, both have some serious information explained in simple terms plus almost all the reloading data a reloader needs to get started.
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:40 PM
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Yep I meant Rock Chucker, Good press but as stated a real finger pincher on the long cartridges. The Redding has a longer stroke but not by much and still have to tilt the bullet sideways and push it up into the die and then set it in the mouth. I'm thinking about getting an even longer one for cartridges over 3.5 inches in length. After a while a guy just sort of ends up with a bunch of Presses and leaves them set up for a particular rifle so even the shorter ones are highly prized - Just don't start off with one that will need to be replaced right off the bat - A Rock Chucker is minimum in the scheme of economy For The Longer cartridges
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:51 PM
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Hey Boom...

I believe he means 'Rock Chucker (vs. Rock Crusher) as in RCBS'........
I suspect you're right; that's not what he said. What we say matters here, not what we hope or "believe" someone should have said. When giving 'expert advice' we really need to say exactly what we mean and not to leave some guy asking our advice to have to say, "WTF is that one and who makes/sells it?".

I have a 22 year old Rock Chucker in perfect condition and know full well it's a good press. In fact, it's almost as good as my young friend's less costly Lee Classic Cast. Of course I too would really like to have a primer catcher that actually works, a lever that's fully adjustable and the larger diameter ram of his Classic Cast. But, other than those piddly little details, I suppose my more expensive green RC is as just as good as his bigger red CC!

Given the same dies and components any of us should easily be able to make equal qualty ammo on any press made. If we can't, it wouldn't be the press' fault!
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:52 PM
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I've considered building my own with threaded uprights to adjust the upper die holder to whatever height deemed necessary. Of course the ram would need adjustability as well, but easily overcome with internally threaded sections and locking collars and I'd machine the ram with an external rail that would engage the base plate and remove any radial flexing.

Threaded stantions work well on stationary steam engines to tailor the output of the engine to a partuicular requirement.

But then I own a real nice hydraulic arbor press with enough throat to load a 70mm Howitzer round, if I could find appropriate dies.....

2 presses are bad enough here.... I have to remove them and stow them away because the loading bench serves duty as my layout bench and assembly bench when I'm assembling products made in the shop.......

My gracious wife allows me to utilize the island in the kitchen for loading and bullet seating. That way, I'm close to the phone, computer and my customers plus the cat likes to watch the goings on.
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Old 01-30-2012, 08:27 PM
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It's contagious...you got me typing it.....................

.........Look at a New Rock Crusher and a used one and compare the hard chrome on the rams.............
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Old 01-30-2012, 08:31 PM
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Yes I made a mistake by calling a rock chucker a rock crusher. What we say is important and should be factual. boomtube I would like to see anyone get a bullet into a 338 Lm case useing a RCBS Junior and a set of Forster Ultra Micro Seater dies. The answer is clearly " It will not "without unscrewing the dies, so factual infromation is that you can not make good ammunition with any Press Or Dies you choose - Read the last part of your post!!!
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