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Powder scale or e-scale? that is the question

 
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:04 PM
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Re: Powder scale or e-scale? that is the question

I started with a beam scale then went through 3 electronic scales and now I'm back to a beam scale. I bought an old lyman m5 and sent it to scott parker for tuning. I know that my loads are consistent now. No more scale drift due to my neighbors dryer kicking on or whatever makes it drift. My electronic rcbs picked up a whole grain one night. I had to break down everything I loaded . That combined with them going bad cured me. I live in an old section of town and we get power surges and all sorts of electrical problems. It has killed several freezers over the years also.
An older pre Mexican rcbs 10 10 , lyman m5 , ohaus 1005 is your best bet. Gavity always works.
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Old 07-21-2013, 11:49 PM
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Re: Powder scale or e-scale? that is the question

Thanks for the response ya'll. I used the RCBS 1010 for a lot of years and loved it.

However, I think that unless your disciplined to make sure the beam is bouncing equally above and below the center or zero line it will have as much spread as any e-scale. Just cause it's off bottom doesn't mean your on target.

My second question was how much tolerance might you allow in powder weight when working up load recipes? Is say .2 acceptable? Is that a significant difference to through MV hence accuracy out?
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:11 AM
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Re: Powder scale or e-scale? that is the question

I agree with rusty rick. Lots can effect the accuracy of beam scales too. How many check the accuracy of there beam scales with check weights? If you calibrate your electronic scale EVERY time before you load you will about eliminate any drift problems. Look at your instructions. I dont think any electronic scale instructions dont tell you to calibrate before use. I also agree that a .1 or two means nothing in a rlfle case when it comes to accuracy. Bench rest shooters for years measure there charge by volume not by weight and they shot pretty darned good. Ive been loading for near 40 years. A bit better then half of that with beam scales. I bought my first electronic which was a pact close to twenty years ago and its still working great and my beam scales have been given away except for one lonely scale collecting dust just waiting for a day when theres a power outage and i just have to load. People said auto transmitions in cars would never catch on and even that electricity and telephones were gimmics. Im for any quality product that can save me time loading. I load to shoot, i dont shoot to load.
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Old 07-22-2013, 03:33 PM
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Re: Powder scale or e-scale? that is the question

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Thanks for the response ya'll. I used the RCBS 1010 for a lot of years and loved it.

However, I think that unless your disciplined to make sure the beam is bouncing equally above and below the center or zero line it will have as much spread as any e-scale. Just cause it's off bottom doesn't mean your on target.

My second question was how much tolerance might you allow in powder weight when working up load recipes? Is say .2 acceptable? Is that a significant difference to through MV hence accuracy out?

First. All scales can be off and you should check them with the weights furnished as often as you can.

Some beam scales can drift off due to the dampening system and should be checked.

When I first bought an electronic scale it was off of my beam scale buy over one grain so I made a set of weights for the exact load on my beam scale for the rifle I shot a lot. it varied to dead own to .3 or
.4/10 of a grain so I just thought I Had a bum scale and bought another. It was very consistent but
it also read different than my beam scale so that is why after three or fore E scales I work up the load on my
beam scale and sometimes zero the E scale and dump the beam scale charge on the E scale
to see what it says. this new weight is entered in my loading notes as the E scale weight and it works
the same just a different weight number.

The reason I do this is that in some circumstances a 1 grain difference can totally change the consistency of a load.

Both scales work good, as load as you except the fact that they normally wont agree with each other.

I have some pet loads that are over 50 years old and when they change it is normally the powder batch
number and adjustments have to be made so I use the beam scale as the bench Mark.

And to answer your other question-I trickle each load that has to be accurate to zero 10ths. and measuring
by volume if done right is very accurate but when I try to make every component as
close to the same as possible it gives me confidence (It probably doesn't make that much difference
but I do it anyway).

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Old 07-22-2013, 04:45 PM
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Re: Powder scale or e-scale? that is the question

You bring up a good point about beam scales and there dampening systems. I hear people all the time badmouth an electronic scale and find out there using a low priced beam scale and in some cases even the plastic lee junk and somehow got it in there mind that there scale is more reliable then a 100 dollar electronic. There is some real nice top end scales from rcbs and others but a good beam scale will set you back as much or more then a digital will and like anything you get what you pay for and theres good reason the 150 dollar rcbs scale cost 3 times what there entry level scale cost or 5 times more then a lee. I wont argue that when it comes to true precision a quality beam scale probably has it over a electronic but for loading, at least at my house, a good digital scale gets it done.
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First. All scales can be off and you should check them with the weights furnished as often as you can.

Some beam scales can drift off due to the dampening system and should be checked.

When I first bought an electronic scale it was off of my beam scale buy over one grain so I made a set of weights for the exact load on my beam scale for the rifle I shot a lot. it varied to dead own to .3 or
.4/10 of a grain so I just thought I Had a bum scale and bought another. It was very consistent but
it also read different than my beam scale so that is why after three or fore E scales I work up the load on my
beam scale and sometimes zero the E scale and dump the beam scale charge on the E scale
to see what it says. this new weight is entered in my loading notes as the E scale weight and it works
the same just a different weight number.

The reason I do this is that in some circumstances a 1 grain difference can totally change the consistency of a load.

Both scales work good, as load as you except the fact that they normally wont agree with each other.

I have some pet loads that are over 50 years old and when they change it is normally the powder batch
number and adjustments have to be made so I use the beam scale as the bench Mark.

And to answer your other question-I trickle each load that has to be accurate to zero 10ths. and measuring
by volume if done right is very accurate but when I try to make every component as
close to the same as possible it gives me confidence (It probably doesn't make that much difference
but I do it anyway).

J E CUSTOM
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:31 PM
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Re: Powder scale or e-scale? that is the question

I'm on my 2nd e-scale and I'm glad had the RCBS 10-10 as back up when the first e-scale was replaced. I'm pretty much back to using the 10-10 full time and I'll use the e-scale to check weight of powder from the 10-10 and it's real close with in 1/10 gr. Weighting bullets/cases the e-scale is faster or fully loaded rd.
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Old 07-23-2013, 05:23 AM
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Re: Powder scale or e-scale? that is the question

the real time saver is when is when a electronic is used with a dispensor. Id probably still use a beam scale if i wasnt using a dispensor but id hate to have load again without a dispensor scale combo. Im so hooked i bought two so if one is down i have another. To be honest though ive only used the backup once when my transformer on the pact went bad.
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