I contacted some people at various corporations trying to discover what the connection is. I have noticed several mergers with "me-too" companies, but there does NOT, at this time, seem to be any validity to Federal and Norma being in cahoots.
I did learn some other very interesting info . . . Federal makes Lake City stuff. Of course it is still made to mil-spec to handle their abuses, but should be and is top quality stuff.
Chronologically speaking, every major European CC (RWS, Lapua and Norma) have owned one another. There are no trade secrets between any of them. Since 1990 they have been swapping back and forth between munition companies. Interesting to me.
My comment was not for "news", just a statement of fact. As Sewwhat?? says. This has been so since I bought my first box in 1969. However, this fact is obscure if you do not shoot a Wby. I was more commenting on the fact that Wby votes should be combined with norma when one analyzes the results.
I was also obliquely pointing to the people who checked that they would never use Wby brass. If they do not have a Wby I am sure they have no use for it. But is it still very fine brass and has been kicking butt at 1000 yds for decades.
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I acually have been working on some Remington brass of a good lot and was surpised that it actually had more uniform pockets and case heads than the last 3 batches of Lapua AND Norma!
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I worked over about 100 cases of Rem and 300 cases of Norma about two months ago and here is what I found.
Flash holes - 80-90% of Rem too large, 99% of Norma too small. Too small is OK because you can then open it up to same size. I won't go into detail with the other stuff but it was much the same.
I guess this is why you were surprised with your results.
Had one comment on the last poll question. To correct answer as to what causes brass to fail is generally to do witht he rifle itself or loading techniques and not the brass.
If the rifle is set up correctly in headspace with a quality dimensioned chamber and the brass is neck sized or partially FL sized and comfortable pressures are used in the case. The first thing to go in the case will be the case neck splitting.
If the rounds are loaded to high levels, the primer pockets will be the first to go.
On the topic of Wby brass. Yes its well known it is Norma brass. It is also very good brass on average but tends to be a bit on the soft side compared to the Lapua, Winchester and Federal hulls.
The biggest problem with the Wby brass is generally, again, the rifle. OR better put, the chamber and throat design of the rifle.
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