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Unread 04-13-2007, 03:44 PM
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new vs old

what did we kill animals with years ago ?
sierra sbt's, nosler pt's, remmy corelokt's, etc...

i understand modern technology and all, but why must we spend soooo much money on premium bullets these days, to kill the same game we did years ago ?

i am down to a few barnes tsx's, and wanted to buy more.
started looking around and the damn things are going for almost a buck a bullet !!!

screw that, they can keep em, i can't see punching more holes in paper than game, at that price.

i had some old nosler pt's on the shelf, 180 gr., .30 cal's...
so i loaded up some this a.m., and went shooting....
put em over 98.0 gr's of reldr 25, set off the rifling .030, in my 300 rum.
clean barrel, and the first 4 shots with this load went into a 1 inch vertical by 1/2 hor., group, at just over 3300 fps !
a little tweeking and i think it'll work just fine for whatever i wanna kill with it.

and btw, sells nosler factory seconds for 15 bucks a box of 50.
ordered 3 boxes and 1 of .338 250's just a bit ago.
200 bullets with shipping for @ 80 bucks...

anyone else tired of spending the big bucks for these just gotta have premium bullets ??

sure the bc's, may not be the "best" for the partitions, nor a bt, but they have a better bc than a tsx, and there's not much a difference against a sieera gameking bt.
both sighted in at 300 yards, same 3300 fps, same everything, and the drop at 800 yards is just 2.7 inches different !
i shake more than that !!

is there a reason, the rage is these new bullets ??

didn't we kill game just as dead with the old ones ??
that are cheaper ??

okay, rant off.....

have a great day all, going home in a bit to load some more..
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Unread 04-15-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: new vs old

You pays yer money and you takes yer chances.

We are always pushing for better. What "better means to one hunter may not mean the same to another.

I am working on a load for some wildcat bullets that will cost $52/100 (shipping included) simply because some test wildcats cut my groups at 300 yards in half. That just doubled my personal confidence distance on shots on game. I am also paying about twice what I was paying for the bullets I was previously using. Is that worth it to me? Hell yes. I have still not found a good load with these particular wildcats but I still consider the potential to double my effective distance a goal worth persuing, especially because I did not have to change my reloading process one little bit. I'll gladly spend more for these bullets.

On the other hand when I do the math on shotgun loads for ducks even if I was guaranteed one duck for each shell the expensive exotic loads they are still more expensive than shooting 4 rounds to get 1 duck using steel. And that is if you get your leads right and the patterns are perfect which mine ain't so I might still get 1 duck for every 2 or 3 shots. There is no possible way I would shoot bismuth or tungston or depleted uranium shot shells unless they were the same cost as steel(which sucks compared with good ol' lead).
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Unread 04-15-2007, 01:52 PM
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Re: new vs old

I was at Gander mountain this past week, was thinking about how high they're hornady bullets were, as I walked to the cashier, I hasteily grabbed a 10 box of fed 3.5" 2.25 oz #5's, when the cashier rang them up they were 74.99 plus tax, HUH? what the ? don't think so, I don't hate turkeys bad enough to spend 7.50 per shell on them, I didn't have my glasses so I still don't know what they were loaded with but I'll stick to copper coated premieums.
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Unread 04-15-2007, 02:27 PM
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Re: new vs old

IMO, for a good all around LR bullet thats cheap, accurate, fairly high BC is still the good old Nosler BT. I dont care what anybody says, these bullets flat out kill deer, elk, and bears. Sierra gamekings are great for the price as well.

I agree with you, spending $1 a bullet is about as dumb as you can get. The animal dont know the difference, the only difference we know is what the ballistic tables say...

To be completely honest, I wont even buy paritions because I think there to expensive. Call me cheap, call me whatever, but when you shoot hundreds of rounds a year, it adds up. About the upper limit I"ll buy is the Nosler AB. I wont buy barnes anything anymore, there worthless IMO. Inconsistent, exaggerated BC"s, dont expand to well at LR and look at the price. But they have there place for close range shots I guess. It depends a lot on where and how you hunt I guess. For me, my favorite bullet is still the Nosler NBT. They've killed plenty of deer, elk and black bears for my family and friends with no troubles, from 50-800 yards.
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Unread 04-15-2007, 05:31 PM
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Re: new vs old

I agree with you remmy, I have hunted with b-tips for years and can honestly say I never had a bullet "fail".
I stick with the heavier for caliber b-tips. 140-150gr in the 7mm. Although I loaded up a reduced load in my cousins 280 with the 120 b-tip. His son used it to kill a large 10 point at close range, one shot through lungs ran about 50 yards. The 140 b-tip in my 280 has always been a good combination.
In the 30 cal I use the 180 grain, for years this was my go to load in a rem 700 300 win mag. I killed whitetail from 30 to 423 yards. Only one needed a second bullet.(but that was my fault)
I tried Barnes in a 264 win mag. I ended up with dead deer but holes out were the same as holes in. I think the pedals stripped off more often than not.

Now my bullets of choice are. A-max, Sierra mk and gamekings, Nos b-tips, and AB. I stick with the heavier for calibur bullets and leave the light weights for varmits
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Unread 04-15-2007, 06:42 PM
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Yep, stick with the 140-150g in 7mm for deer and you'll be ok. I've even seen quite a few guys use the 150g for elk. I wouldn't feel undergunned if thats all I had.

Now to the 180g BT out of the 300 Win. I load this particular combo for 4 different guys and they love it. They shoot everything from deer, elk, black bears and they have always got an exit, even on elk and bears. One guy shot a nice 5x5 bull elk at 750 yards, hit it twice and he was down for the count. Same guy this year wacked his spike at 525 yards and I actually found the bullet in the ofside hide, after going through the shoulders. Pretty good performance if you ask me. For a 300 Win, I dont think you can beat the 180g BT for the price/performance. My uncles shot at least 4-5 spikes with his combo from 100-500 yards and they've all hit the dirt pretty hard, with some pretty good exits as well.
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Unread 04-15-2007, 06:46 PM
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Forgot to mention that I really like the 115g NBT out of my 25-06. I"ve killed everythign from pdogs to black bears with that bullet. I"ve killed deer out to 600 yards, 2 black bears at 400+, and I've never not once had one stay inside a deer, that tells me something even though I wack them in the shoulder 90% of the time. There tougher then most people think. Most peoples problem is they use the light or medium weight btips, then they wack a buck at 100 yards and wonder why it ran off. Operator error, not bullet error. I've had more 1 shot drops with NBT's then any other bullet, thats for dang sure.
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