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Old 02-12-2009, 02:55 PM
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I find it kind funny, and sad at the same time, that THE formula to accuracy is not being advocated.

The Three B’s.

1. Barrels
2. Bullets
3. Brass

In the above order!

I’ve thought today a little bit about why this is. Everybody knows the 3B’s, it’s in every reloading manual and on every accuracy forum. So why are people so quick to suggest not using this particular die, or using golf tee’s and water to find internal volume, or weigh brass and organize into little segregated piles, and suggesting the purchase of inexpensive measuring tools.
The answer lies in not wanting to hear the truth; the truth being the three B’s. When some asks: “What can I do to not group two feet at a gazillion yards?” The answer: “Buy a better barrel” is not what one wants to hear. The question: “what can I do to my load (read bullet here) to shoot under an inch?” does not want the answer “go buy five different powders and five different bullets and experiment”. However, this is the truth of the matter.
Imagine for a second perfect brass, and I mean perfect. Then Image the perfect load assembled with all the perfect tools and gadgets, one’s that “flatline” on concentricity gages and weigh exactly the same weight. Now shoot them down a factory barrel, you choose which one, I’m not here to be bashing. Your results will be mediocre.
So, start with your barrel. Instead of buying this fancy tool, and that accuracy gage, and those premium brass, invest your money in a top of the line barrel and you will be amazed. They just shoot, even with poor loads.
Secondly, experiment with many load combinations. Not just one bullet and a couple of powders, I mean really play until you find a combination that is suited to your barrel. While reloading, don’t convince yourself that it’s not shooting because of your brass prep or reloading procedure. It’s simply that you haven’t found the right bullet and powder combination.
Finally, once you’re shooting .2’s and .3’s at 100, and have no vertical at 300 yards, then start fiddling with the little stuff. You may or may not notice a difference depending on the quality of brass you started with. The brass component of the three B’s is more a matter of maintenance, keeping them clean, to length, and annealed.

Be happy and satisfied with how your rifle is shooting. Have fun, shoot, reload, enjoy yourself, and take a youngster along with you. Don’t expect miracles from factory fodder, be content. The money you spend on all the gadgets is wasteful (trust me I have them all). If you’re truly, and I mean truly unsatisfied with your results, then go out and buy a top of the line barrel.
Very well stated, IN MOST CASES! ALL factory barrels are NOT junk. I have seen, and own, a few barrels that prove otherwise. I.E. my .308 VTR, totally factory, with handloads it consistently shoots 0.089" - 0.25" @ 100 yds.

AND while buying five different powders and five different bullets and expirimenting is the best way to find out exactly the hows/whats of accuracy in YOUR particular gun, this again is not always true. I.E. my .308 VTR again. I checked my COAL and distance to rifling, did some research on bullets, and tried 2 different powders. My SECOND 4-SHOT GROUP WAS 0.25". Doing your homework pays off. I have had similar expiriences with other rifles also.

While putting in your legwork will pay off in the best groups possible, it is not unreasonable to believe that doing your homework will considerably shorten your actual time involved (not to mention cheaper).

Very, very well stated as a general rule. I'm glad this was mentioned, at least as a reality check.

Hope I didn't tick anybody off lol.
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Old 02-12-2009, 06:45 PM
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2003, i'm not going to argue with what you've said, but, the reason no one is suggesting "the 3 B's" is because in his original statement he said he has a custom rifle and uses quality components.
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:57 PM
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Re: Need some advice

just to clarify i am mostly concerned about a custom rifle ..mine is a ..300 dakota with a match chamber and it has a 27 inch krieger barrel on it it sits in a manners T4-A stock the action is a rem 700 that is fully worked and bedded and the scope is a leupy mark 4 8.5-25x50 mounted in ken farrell fg force matched rings and 20 moa base.

i was also inquirng about the neck turning because i figure if im gonna buy the equipment i might as well use it when loading for my factory rifles as well if it would benifit them. thanks for the replies guys i am learning from you as i have since i joined this site
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Old 02-14-2009, 02:47 PM
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Re: Need some advice

anything else?
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:22 PM
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Re: Need some advice

One of the tools I recently purchased, and use quite a bit is the Sinclair Case Neck Sorting tool. Very fast and easy with accurate results. Here is the link.

Welcome to Sinclair International's Online Store

I also purchased an RCBS Casemaster tool but found it harder to use. I'm all thumbs when I try to use it. I have huge hands though! I think I would try the Sinclair Concentricity Gauge, everyone says it's easy to use.

Welcome to Sinclair International's Online Store

Another item that has helped a lot is a book by Glen Zediker titled Handloading for Competition, making the target smaller. This is the perfect book for the guy or gal who has been reloading for a few years but wants to take things to the next level.

Hope this helps.
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:59 PM
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Hornady is comming out with a tool that they SAY will not only MEASURE loaded cartridge concentricty (runout), but CORRECT IT as well.

It is not available, but if it does that - I WANT ONE.

Lets all remember ONE THING....ENJOY your hobby. Lets face it, we are using the finest shooting products available to mankind. We have the best solvents, the best powders, primers, projectiles, measuring equipment...I mean it can drive me nuts if I let it.
THEN I remember why I reload - I LOVE TO SHOOT.

So enjoy, one day you'll be too old, fat, and stupid to even read your mic!
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:10 AM
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This tool is on my list also. It only corrects runout caused by bullet seaters tho, not runout caused by resizing dies.

It looks like a well built tool, and it's a great idea.

https://www.hornady.com/shop/?ps_ses...e10ac73321c437
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