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Old 10-02-2013, 09:14 AM
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Currently, I'm out- was injured too many times. The only unit I was assigned to that I can talk about was 2/27IN, part of 3rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 25th Light Infantry Division. I also did a lot of time at Ft. Bragg, back before they changed all the ODA numbers, lol. Now they're using 4-digit team numbers, and it's a giant goat-F*** trying to figure out who's-who.

Anyway, gary, you're about half-right. When we got back to our duty station after deployments, they had big signs on the sides of the buses, so all the cars driving down the highway could see, and they all beeped and waved and shouted to us. Then when we got in to the base, there was the Welcome Home Ceremony where all the families and friends showed up. It was really emotional. Flying home to NY was another matter. Did a layover in San Fran on the way. Sat in a coffee shop on the concourse for 3 1/2 hours- the waiters kept walking right by me, they'd look the other way and pretend I didn't exist (I was in uniform). Finally got up and stood in line for McDonald's. The couple in front of me noticed I was behind them, got real fidgitty, and pulled their kid in tight as they pressed into the people in front of them. Like I was gonna just hall off and eat their kid or something.

When I finally made it home is when I got my "hero's welcome." 'Nam vets turned out, there was my family, my church, my friends from high school. But I'll never forget San Francisco.
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Currently, I'm out- was injured too many times. The only unit I was assigned to that I can talk about was 2/27IN, part of 3rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 25th Light Infantry Division. I also did a lot of time at Ft. Bragg, back before they changed all the ODA numbers, lol. Now they're using 4-digit team numbers, and it's a giant goat-F*** trying to figure out who's-who.

Anyway, gary, you're about half-right. When we got back to our duty station after deployments, they had big signs on the sides of the buses, so all the cars driving down the highway could see, and they all beeped and waved and shouted to us. Then when we got in to the base, there was the Welcome Home Ceremony where all the families and friends showed up. It was really emotional. Flying home to NY was another matter. Did a layover in San Fran on the way. Sat in a coffee shop on the concourse for 3 1/2 hours- the waiters kept walking right by me, they'd look the other way and pretend I didn't exist (I was in uniform). Finally got up and stood in line for McDonald's. The couple in front of me noticed I was behind them, got real fidgitty, and pulled their kid in tight as they pressed into the people in front of them. Like I was gonna just hall off and eat their kid or something.

When I finally made it home is when I got my "hero's welcome." 'Nam vets turned out, there was my family, my church, my friends from high school. But I'll never forget San Francisco.
LOL, I live in NY. I also spent a lot of time in Bragg so did quite a few other members here. I wonder why they switch AD teams to 4 digit designation that was the only was to differentiate guard from AD, not that it mattered.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:22 AM
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Re: MK 318 ammo Info 5.56

Believe it or not, that wasn't the only reason. In late '06, they added an additional 4th Battalion to every SF Group, which necessitated a new numbering system. I don't know how long they'll keep it that way before returning to the 3 Battalion format, if they ever return to it. It really was a headache trying to bridge the gap; one week the team number is (for instance) 095, and the next week it's 1054. Completely rearranged everything! Hated it.

For those uninitiated who may read this, the original Special Forces Team number format worked like this:

1, 3, 5, 7, and 0 (for 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 10th Groups) followed by

0-3 (A,B,C/1st Bn), 4-6 (A,B,C/2nd Bn), 7-9 (A,B,C/3rd Bn) followed by


0-9, designating the specific team within the previously established Company, Battalion, and Group.

So 3rd Team, B Company, 2nd Battalion, 1st Group is/was: ODA 153
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Old 10-02-2013, 12:05 PM
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Currently, I'm out- was injured too many times. The only unit I was assigned to that I can talk about was 2/27IN, part of 3rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 25th Light Infantry Division. I also did a lot of time at Ft. Bragg, back before they changed all the ODA numbers, lol. Now they're using 4-digit team numbers, and it's a giant goat-F*** trying to figure out who's-who.

Anyway, gary, you're about half-right. When we got back to our duty station after deployments, they had big signs on the sides of the buses, so all the cars driving down the highway could see, and they all beeped and waved and shouted to us. Then when we got in to the base, there was the Welcome Home Ceremony where all the families and friends showed up. It was really emotional. Flying home to NY was another matter. Did a layover in San Fran on the way. Sat in a coffee shop on the concourse for 3 1/2 hours- the waiters kept walking right by me, they'd look the other way and pretend I didn't exist (I was in uniform). Finally got up and stood in line for McDonald's. The couple in front of me noticed I was behind them, got real fidgitty, and pulled their kid in tight as they pressed into the people in front of them. Like I was gonna just hall off and eat their kid or something.

When I finally made it home is when I got my "hero's welcome." 'Nam vets turned out, there was my family, my church, my friends from high school. But I'll never forget San Francisco.
You are part of an elite group known as "Combat Vets". Never forget where you came from. I recommend you joining the VFW. Your going to be welcomed with open arms.

I came home thru Ft Lewis, and ended up having to spend two extra days there because of some B.S. rule that you had to have dress greens on to travel. I had a 44" chest and a 29" waist. They had nothing that came close to fitting me (as if I cared). So I ended up with a set of tailor made greens to wear once! Remember going thru a formation, and they guy told me to get a hair cut. I told him to cut my hair himself (I'd had three haircuts in the last seven days!). They guy that told me to get a hair cut had nothing but the National defense Ribbon, and I had zero respect for his ass. But that was also an omen that I failed to pick up on. I know now what my first platoon sargent told me to expect.

When I got on the airplane out of Seattle (red eye), no one would set next to me. Fine with me, as I pretty much had the whole side to myself. Then an old man asked if he could set next to me? I welcomed him. Landing at OHara in Chicago, I had to go from one end to the other. All kinds of baggage handlers and carts, but I wasn't good enough to use one. The said my flight was booked up (even though I had a ticket). So I ended up hauling everything about half way back. Got a flight about eight hours later to Indy. I should have just hopped on a bus as it was a three hour drive. Folks were cold when I got back home, and I divorced most of my friends while picking up new ones. A year or so later the VFW and Legion told us we were not welcome there! Seems the WWII guys didn't think much of us, even though the color of our blood was the same as theirs. Ten years later they were begging us to join them, and I sorta ignored them. Ten years ago a couple Marines, and some Army guys approached me about joining. One said he'd pay my first years dues if I joined. So I got my DD-214 together and filled out an application fully expecting the usual treatment. Two weeks later I got an I.D. card in the mail, but never entered the local post. When it came time to renew my membership I mulled around about it, but my girl friend drug me over there. I went inside and told them what I wanted to do, and I was welcomed to a table of Vietnam vets. Asked who and where I came from, and a couple guys questioned me as I look very young for my age (I don't blame them). I told them I was right out of I-Corps, and then the conversation just took off. Turned out that one of the guys at the table and I shared the same exact A.O., and we had done a few OP's together. Later a Marine and I found we'd chewed the same turf many times over. I'm now the Post Surgeon, and hope to be Junior Vice next month. Finally starting my trip thru the chairs after two stints at the Surgeon position. But on the otherhand, I'm really not wanting to leave that position this very minute. I have a couple projects going on that will need someone to follow thru on them.

Looking back at my 14 months and three weeks in the game, I will never forgive this country for what they did to us. And I've openly told them about how I feel about it. Being there was better than being at home for the next twenty odd years. At least you knew who your enemies were, and who your friends are. The WWII vets were the problem, and they should have paved the way for the Korean War Vets, and they snubbed them. Then they did the samething with the Vietnam folks. In 1990 we vowed that they were not going to get by doing this again, and we kinda stepped to the front. Now those guys are doing the same for your group (we're there, but there's only a third of us left)

Welcome Home Brother
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Re: MK 318 ammo Info 5.56

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You are part of an elite group known as "Combat Vets". Never forget where you came from. I recommend you joining the VFW. Your going to be welcomed with open arms.

I came home thru Ft Lewis, and ended up having to spend two extra days there because of some B.S. rule that you had to have dress greens on to travel. I had a 44" chest and a 29" waist. They had nothing that came close to fitting me (as if I cared). So I ended up with a set of tailor made greens to wear once! Remember going thru a formation, and they guy told me to get a hair cut. I told him to cut my hair himself (I'd had three haircuts in the last seven days!). They guy that told me to get a hair cut had nothing but the National defense Ribbon, and I had zero respect for his ass. But that was also an omen that I failed to pick up on. I know now what my first platoon sargent told me to expect.

When I got on the airplane out of Seattle (red eye), no one would set next to me. Fine with me, as I pretty much had the whole side to myself. Then an old man asked if he could set next to me? I welcomed him. Landing at OHara in Chicago, I had to go from one end to the other. All kinds of baggage handlers and carts, but I wasn't good enough to use one. The said my flight was booked up (even though I had a ticket). So I ended up hauling everything about half way back. Got a flight about eight hours later to Indy. I should have just hopped on a bus as it was a three hour drive. Folks were cold when I got back home, and I divorced most of my friends while picking up new ones. A year or so later the VFW and Legion told us we were not welcome there! Seems the WWII guys didn't think much of us, even though the color of our blood was the same as theirs. Ten years later they were begging us to join them, and I sorta ignored them. Ten years ago a couple Marines, and some Army guys approached me about joining. One said he'd pay my first years dues if I joined. So I got my DD-214 together and filled out an application fully expecting the usual treatment. Two weeks later I got an I.D. card in the mail, but never entered the local post. When it came time to renew my membership I mulled around about it, but my girl friend drug me over there. I went inside and told them what I wanted to do, and I was welcomed to a table of Vietnam vets. Asked who and where I came from, and a couple guys questioned me as I look very young for my age (I don't blame them). I told them I was right out of I-Corps, and then the conversation just took off. Turned out that one of the guys at the table and I shared the same exact A.O., and we had done a few OP's together. Later a Marine and I found we'd chewed the same turf many times over. I'm now the Post Surgeon, and hope to be Junior Vice next month. Finally starting my trip thru the chairs after two stints at the Surgeon position. But on the otherhand, I'm really not wanting to leave that position this very minute. I have a couple projects going on that will need someone to follow thru on them.

Looking back at my 14 months and three weeks in the game, I will never forgive this country for what they did to us. And I've openly told them about how I feel about it. Being there was better than being at home for the next twenty odd years. At least you knew who your enemies were, and who your friends are. The WWII vets were the problem, and they should have paved the way for the Korean War Vets, and they snubbed them. Then they did the samething with the Vietnam folks. In 1990 we vowed that they were not going to get by doing this again, and we kinda stepped to the front. Now those guys are doing the same for your group (we're there, but there's only a third of us left)

Welcome Home Brother
gary
Gary

I have shook the hands of more Nam vets than any other era when I was in the service. You guys made us feel welcome over and over again. Thank you! Both my uncles served in your war, one with 5th group the other with the air force spreading agent orange, they died 3 years ago with in 6 month of each other.

I guess what I am saying is thank you!
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Re: MK 318 ammo Info 5.56

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Believe it or not, that wasn't the only reason. In late '06, they added an additional 4th Battalion to every SF Group, which necessitated a new numbering system. I don't know how long they'll keep it that way before returning to the 3 Battalion format, if they ever return to it. It really was a headache trying to bridge the gap; one week the team number is (for instance) 095, and the next week it's 1054. Completely rearranged everything! Hated it.

For those uninitiated who may read this, the original Special Forces Team number format worked like this:

1, 3, 5, 7, and 0 (for 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 10th Groups) followed by

0-3 (A,B,C/1st Bn), 4-6 (A,B,C/2nd Bn), 7-9 (A,B,C/3rd Bn) followed by


0-9, designating the specific team within the previously established Company, Battalion, and Group.

So 3rd Team, B Company, 2nd Battalion, 1st Group is/was: ODA 153
Well I am south of Rochester, thank you for posting I was a little skeptical of your first few post but now I get where your twist rate info came from. Different pool of money and more open thinkers.
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Well I am south of Rochester, thank you for posting I was a little skeptical of your first few post but now I get where your twist rate info came from. Different pool of money and more open thinkers.
Yeah, that's a part of it- for instance, the SOPMOD Mk18 MOD 0 was developed by Crane Division (Navy) for use by Special Ops units throughout the military (they don't just cater to SEALs is what I'm getting at). It's supposed to kinda bridge the gap between the M4/SOPMOD Mk1 and the M14/Mk14 DMR. It's basically an M4 with an AR15 upper- the barrel is 16". It was found during development by Crane that in the 16" barrel, a 1/10 twist is what they consider optimal balance between mid-distance accuracy (~500m) and terminal effect (i.e., the probability of tumble, bounce, etc.).

I also do know that the 1/7 twist rate of the XM16/M16/M16A1 was dropped sometime ago (in the '90's?) in favor of a 1/9. I did use an M61A2, which had been re-barreled at least once I should add, that had a 1/9 (it was engraved right on the barrel). What I don't know is whether that was the original twist rate of the M16A2, or if that barrel was added later as an upgrade, which the military does quite often, since it's cheaper than buying a whole new weapon system. I am quite positive that the 'A3 had a 1/9, and I know that the 'A4 I qualified with at Benning was a 1/9.

This is all, of course, presuming I haven't lost my marbles. These things happen.
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