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Old 11-19-2012, 12:00 PM
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I am having a hard time finding accurate loads with the VLD bullets. I tried to follow Berger manual which I have but many times I am stopped at magazine length and can't get to start at ten thou off lands. I have no trouble with TSX or accubonds getting half inch groups and in short order. I know a lot of you love the Berger so if any one has any tips fire away. I want to shoot some animals with the VLD I just can't get the accuracy
gerryb, in your 7mm calibers, try the Berger 168 gr Classic Hunter bullets (hybrid). In my 7WSM I was having difficulty getting consistency with the VLDs, tried the hybrids, problem solved. On 3 consecutive trips to the range, getting less than 1/2moa groups with it. Easiest load workup I have ever done. And, the BC of the hybrids is only very slightly less than the VLDs.
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I am having a hard time finding accurate loads with the VLD bullets. I tried to follow Berger manual which I have but many times I am stopped at magazine length and can't get to start at ten thou off lands. I have no trouble with TSX or accubonds getting half inch groups and in short order. I know a lot of you love the Berger so if any one has any tips fire away. I want to shoot some animals with the VLD I just can't get the accuracy
on my shelf I have three or four boxes of Bergers gathering dust. They never worked well for me, and if they did another brand was still better and often cheaper. I thought it was just me, but I've ran into at least two dozen others that felt the sameway.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:24 PM
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Just start at your mags length and set deeper. I kinda followed the statement below with the 190gr Berger and finished at .070 off. Shoots pretty good.


Statement from Berger:
Load 24 rounds at the following COAL if you are a hunter (pulling a bullet out of the case with your rifling while in the field can be a hunt ending event which must be avoided) or a competition shooter who worries about pulling a bullet during a match:


  • .010 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds
  • .050 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds
  • .090 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds
  • .130 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds
Shoot 2 (separate) 3 shot groups in fair conditions to see how they group. The remarkable reality of this test is that one of these 4 COALs will outperform the other three by a considerable margin. Once you know which one of these 4 COAL shoots best then you can tweak the COAL +/- .002 or .005. Taking the time to set this test up will pay off when you find that your rifle is capable of shooting the VLD bullets very well (even at 100 yards).
^^^^^^^^this.........for my 7mm WSM, this procedure and a stout dose of H1000 yields some pretty good groups with the 168 VLD...........I think mine ended up liking the 0.050 range of jump......then further fine tune it down to 0.045 giving the best groups........
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:38 PM
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Im my honest opinion ,the 7mm 168 vld wastes too much meat.For the wear and tear on youre gun finding the sweet spot you better buy 2 guns identicle in all way shape and form.Read between the lines on all the info and it is all if ands or buts.I just got the waited for and great Berger manual and it is not all that great.I think it is all relative to speak the language they like.If they want to give definitive answers to the question 0n bullet seating then i will continue to use the 168 vld in my 7mm,until then im on the nosler band wagon.I hope you dont burn up a barrel trying to find the sweet spot.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:48 AM
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I won't burn it out. If I can't find it fast I will use accubonds for small and TSX for larger animals. I can find a load for them in just a few shots. I bought the Berger manual and find the loads mild. I have five 7 mags and I could easily start at their max load and work up. I know 7 mags are kind of like that in all books but I find it light for all calibers and they left out 280 AI.
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:17 AM
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hybrids are what your looking for
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:24 AM
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Re: Loading bergers

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gerryb, in your 7mm calibers, try the Berger 168 gr Classic Hunter bullets (hybrid). In my 7WSM I was having difficulty getting consistency with the VLDs, tried the hybrids, problem solved. On 3 consecutive trips to the range, getting less than 1/2moa groups with it. Easiest load workup I have ever done. And, the BC of the hybrids is only very slightly less than the VLDs.
+1 their either a touch lower or a touch higher in BC, but the load workup is eeaassyy.
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