Just got a new set of Lee dies and it is quiet interesting. This is the only set of dies that gives you a guarantee that i have seen. It says that these dies will load more accurate ammunition than any other brand of equipment or your money will be refunded. It also goes on to say Cases last 10 times longer- no case lube required.
So here is my question. How can you make that kind of guarantee and also say cases last 10 times longer? I might can see the no case lube required but the rest of it has really puzzled me. Anybody got any of these dies since they have been giving this kind of guarantee and if so how do you like them?
I have used Lee dies in the past, and yes they load decent ammo, but they are a PITA to use with the rubberband stop on the lockring. I will buy no more Lee equipment because I don't believe it is a good value. I think of my reloading equipment with the same mindset of a mechanic with his tools, and I don't want to use inferior tools. BTW, if you have an issue with RCBS or Redding dies they will always back their products. I have one set of Lee dies that I haven't replaced, and though I don't like them I don't load very much for this cartridge and have been reluctant to spend the bucks for a decent set of dies.
I love the lee collet dies. No sizing lube required for their necksizer. I have RCBS, REDDING, and LEE DIES so it is not a "brand" thing. I have a lee collet neck sizer for EACH of my rifle calibers. These are NOT 100+plus Match Dies, but, they perform well, and no resizing lube is needed (FOR THE NECK SIZING COLLET DIE). Just my two cents. rc
For the money, the Lee dies are definitely a good value. They get a bad rap though, and I donít see why, if you use them properly, they do like they say. I have used the collet neck die for several years with excellent concentricity, getting as many as 35 reloads. I recommend you clean the mandrel frequently. I have made thousands of quality rounds for my rifle that has given me excellent accuracy over the years. I find Lee dies make it hard to switch unless you start moving up to a competetive level (and when you want to start playing with neck tension), but even then I think they are a good method.
You touch on several points and one poster puts a personal taste thing into it. Okay, one thing at a time.
The accuracy guarantee has been on the Lee collet neck sizer die for maybe twenty years. Don't think they have had to pay off on it much.
Accuracy is dependant on a lot of things, some of them quite difficult for many to fully appreciate. One is a straight case neck with a proper inner neck diameter for concentric seating. Many people think a high "neck tension" is a good thing; it is not. I prefer the Lee collet neck die for both straight necks AND the correct neck diameter for factory rifles above any bushing type sizer and have the concenticity gage to demonstrate the difference.
That neck die has a moving part so it isn't the same, simple minded "push the case in, pull the case out" as others. Thus, it has a learning curve and a bit of mechanical apptitude helps. You have to develop a feel for it but it's worth the effort to learn to use correctly. It doesn't need case lube because there is no sliding case-to-die contact but don't try to use your FL die without lube or you will have one hard stuck case.
How many reloads you can get with it varies a lot by the actual diameter of your chamber neck, if it's tight you can get a lot or reuse. I anneal my necks after each 5-6 loadings and that allows me to easily get as many as 30 cycles per case in hot loadings and with very little case stretching in the process.
(Lee's "Dead Length" bullet seater dies work quite will IF the users follow the instructions correctly. Seems a lot of people don't bother with instuctions so it's not the dies fault if they get less than consistant results, is it?)
Some like one kind of lock rings, some another. That's fine but it's only personal taste. Lee's rings actually work fine IF used correctly but, like their collet neck sizers/seaters/bullet crimpers, they work differently from others. Some people like them a lot, if for no other reason than they allow a bit of softness in the die threads that can allow for better case alignment. Equating the value of the dies to a different taste in rings seems to be a bit off center. They aren't my first preference but I can work fine with them, they really don't make no difference to me. ??
I have no problems with lee dies. The f.l. size dies I found to size belted mag brass better at the belt than rcbs, redding, or hornady. The neck sizers work just as well. When I set up my dies, although I know by heart how to. I follow the instructions every time, and I am teaching a 11 yr. old how to the same (by the book, all the way, litterally). Some people dislike them but my accuracy did improve after using them.