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Old 10-21-2012, 04:54 PM
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Hi Guys,

Firstly I'd like to thank you all for your prompt and detailed responses - very much appreciated. And Boomtube, I am sorry that I clearly offended you, I had no intention of doing so.

I am using Federal Brass that was factory loaded then fired in my rifle, this batch is the first reload. The dies that I am using are Collet and the lube is RCBS Case Lube-2. I can now see where I must have been going wrong - not being careful/meticulous enough when preparing the cases. How foolish of me!

CogburnR, would you recommend I buy some sizing wax or is the RCBS lube sufficient in your opinion?

Since writing my original post last night I have tested the ammo today. I Loaded 3 lots of 3 rounds with 3 different powders, all other variables equal. The results were;
1) H380 54.0gn = 1.2" group @100yds.
2) IMR4895 49.0gn = 0.25" group @100yds
3) Reloader15 47.0gn = 0.25" group @100yds
Unfortunately my Chrony ran out of batteries so I didn't get any MV results - man that pissed me off!!

Many thanks
Fred
You don't need lube inside or outside the neck using a Lee collet die neck size die
The only time it may be needed is with very soft annealed case necks that can sometimes cause some drag on the mandrel as you extract the case. Then use dry lubricants .
Clean and polished is what you need . If excessive lube builds up on the mandrel inaccurate results will happen. A small amount will not do much harm but you don't want liquid lube inside your case necks as it can upset powder flow into the case . That is the whole idea of the Collet die to be able to size with no lube .
You need lube for body sizing and full length sizing in that kind of die.
Your results seem good so you must be getting good straight ammo from the dies.
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:09 PM
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Re: Lee dies.

I use the dreaded and maligned Hornady aresol 'One Shot' lube myself with no issue however I do use Imperial Sizing wax inside the case mouths, applied with a plastic bristle brush. Just a tiny bit.

I have evryone's die sets BTW. I just refit all them to the Hornady lock rings. The Lee lock rings especially are crap. RCBS is a close second.

My favorite specialty die is the Lee 'Factory Crimp Die in any caliber. I love 'em.

I don't think anyone was offended. Some of us just have loyalities to certain brands....
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:19 PM
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I use the dreaded and maligned Hornady aresol 'One Shot' lube myself with no issue however I do use Imperial Sizing wax inside the case mouths, applied with a plastic bristle brush. Just a tiny bit.

I have evryone's die sets BTW. I just refit all them to the Hornady lock rings. The Lee lock rings especially are crap. RCBS is a close second.

My favorite specialty die is the Lee 'Factory Crimp Die in any caliber. I love 'em.

I don't think anyone was offended. Some of us just have loyalities to certain brands....
Hornady lock rings are very good that's for sure. The thing that amuses me is that Redding make a very good quality die but the lock rings with the lead pellet under the grub screw is a real nightmare to change the setting . They seem to be of the opinion that once you set it you will never want to move it again. Not sure if they still use it but it made me wonder why they did not just copy Hornady's system.
Over the years I have contacted Redding on several issues that I felt was bad business but I found the upper managment to be very intractable and resistant to change . The lock ring was one of those issues . Not a huge problem . I do the same as you .
I have used a Lee factory crimp die and they do a good job as long as you don't over do it .
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Old 10-22-2012, 05:44 PM
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Re: Lee dies.

"Boomtube, I am sorry that I clearly offended you, I had no intention of doing so."

Goodness, NO! I'm not offended at all, I just tried to walk you thru the problem for the learning benefit!
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Re: Lee dies.

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Hornady lock rings are very good that's for sure. The thing that amuses me is that Redding make a very good quality die but the lock rings with the lead pellet under the grub screw is a real nightmare to change the setting . They seem to be of the opinion that once you set it you will never want to move it again. Not sure if they still use it but it made me wonder why they did not just copy Hornady's system.
Over the years I have contacted Redding on several issues that I felt was bad business but I found the upper managment to be very intractable and resistant to change . The lock ring was one of those issues . Not a huge problem . I do the same as you .
I have used a Lee factory crimp die and they do a good job as long as you don't over do it .
I find the British influence neat. People in this country have no idea what a 'grub screw' is, let alone a spanner unless you are a Brit bike guy like me.

I suspect Hornady has a patent/copyright on their fixing ring. It is light years ahead of all the others. Too bad their dies aren't.

I agre, the prople at Redding are stuffy, so are the Wilson folks but they both have a good product, just taks some tweaking on the customers part...
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I am half British myself and half American . My dad born in Dorset and my Mum born in Oregon . My Dad was a cousin to Don and Derek who built the Rickman Metisse motor bikes . I raced bikes myself for some years in my youth.
One was a BSA 441 Victor in a Metisse frame just before two strokes took over and I changed to a Bultaco . I sold the BSA / Metisse to raise extra money to buy a house but really regret it know as it would be worth big money now .
I have raced sidecars scrambles and short circuit but not that seriously , just for fun really and we did some stupid things , like throw water b*mbs and such from side cars .
Had two a 650 Triumph T 120 and a Vincent HRD but I could never get the Vincent going very well it ran but not great . Only have one bike left now an old Suzuki DR Enduro.

I try to use language that the USA will understand on this forum it's only polite to do so and I do have some American type sayings naturally in my speach that I picked up from my Mother but I could not remember what else to call a " grub screw " other than a grub screw . I guess I should have said " Allen set screw " or " set screw " , " Socket set screw " maybe ??
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Re: Lee dies.

Set screw works just fine but I have no issue whatsoever with grub screw.

I'm not SidecarFlip for no reason. I have a Bonnie with a sidecar, my name happens to be Flip, I don't flip sidecars.... I also have a Norton P11A 750 Scrambler a Triumph Rocket 3 and a Kawasaki KLR to get filthy with.

When I was young I had my competition license and I rode a 250 Penton ISDT bike with Jack Penton and his crowd and yes, you should have kept the Rickman Metisse 4130 Alloy frame. I have a good friend that has 3, 2 with Beezers and one with a smoker.

I love Brit bikes, Prince of Darkness and night visitor and every quirk that goes along with ownership. I'm sure you know that Triumph is the oldest brand still in production today. Triumph's were around before Harley Davidson was even designed.

That Rocket 3 is like straddling a dragster and every time I twist throttle, it provides a rush..... There isn't much on the road that can run with it except a crotch rocket, certainly no large cruiser.

It's summer for you and winter for me. My bikes are ready to go into hibernation. It's time to hunt now.
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