Long Range Hunting Online Magazine


Go Back   Long Range Hunting Online Magazine > Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment > Reloading

Reloading Techniques For Reloading


Reply

Lee Collet Dies vs Redding S bushing dies

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #29  
Old 02-19-2011, 08:04 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: NC, oceanfront
Posts: 3,171
Re: Lee Collet Dies vs Redding S bushing dies

I also prefer Wilson, with TiN coated bushings.
A few of my mine were blanks chambered along with my barrels.

It might be wrong to reckon so, but I picture collet dies popular among those who FL size everything. And bushing dies popular among those who size less.
Opposite paths in reloading
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 02-19-2011, 08:28 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Fredericksburg VA
Posts: 4,109
Re: Lee Collet Dies vs Redding S bushing dies

A couple comments.

1. Never a fan of the Lee collet dies, but never used them, have no personal facts one way or the other. However, I have used Lee dies and other equip, and flat do not like their dies or presses.

2. It seems that a lot of the F class guys use them with a fitted body die to get FL sizing w/o lub or bushings. However, it is common to see them mention a bunch of tweaking required. Once you get thru that they seem to work OK for them.

3. As for the arguement about bushing costs, which are $15-18; if that is really a concern you need to take up table tennis. The ping pong balls are more in your price line. A custom die is probably the cheapest part of this game and certainly a fitted die is well within anyones price range.

4. Of all the steps of reloading, an old pie pan, two squirts of spray lube over 50 cases and wiping them off after sizing is one of the easiest. So I really do not see the fuss of a little lube as being a valid arguement. If you are that focused on less work, you have other problems in your technique I would be that a collet die will not fix.

BH

Last edited by BountyHunter; 02-19-2011 at 08:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 02-20-2011, 09:29 AM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Mountians of SW NC, near Asheville
Posts: 1,596
Re: Lee Collet Dies vs Redding S bushing dies

"1. Never a fan of the Lee collet dies, but never used them, have no personal facts one way or the other. However, I have used Lee dies and other equip, and flat do not like their dies or presses."

Nice of you to volunteer what you don't like and haven't used but the question IS the collet dies and LOTS of others do like them. So even with the advantage of knowing what you don't like, how is the question itself moved forward?



2. It seems that a lot of the F class guys use them with a fitted body die to get FL sizing w/o lub or bushings. However, it is common to see them mention a bunch of tweaking required. Once you get thru that they seem to work OK for them.

Sooo, you do understand a lot of "F class guys" agree with most of us and don't mind tweaking them to obtain the good results they can produce? Perhaps you could explain to them how they are wasting their time trying to save a few bucks? (Seems those of us who don't enjoy "tweaking" things may not be good candidates for reloading at all?)



3. As for the arguement about bushing costs, which are $15-18; if that is really a concern you need to take up table tennis. The ping pong balls are more in your price line. A custom die is probably the cheapest part of this game and certainly a fitted die is well within anyones price range.

Cost of the Lee collet isn't the issue but it's a nice bonus, well for some of us. Those of us who want to do more than play ping-pong can work it out even if we are perhaps to "poor" to be shooting, at least by your standards. (Of course you didn't mention that bushings are "$15-18" each and a good working assortment will likely be from three to five, but it's ONLY MONEY right?)


Otherwise, you have given us all a very helpful, very well thought out post.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 02-20-2011, 12:09 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: greenwood, IN
Posts: 3,546
Re: Lee Collet Dies vs Redding S bushing dies

Quote:
Originally Posted by highflyer View Post
CP

I have to take issue with your tone here. You seem hell bent on Redding Dies no matter what.

All of the positive points stated here about Lee Collet Dies I wholeheartedly agree with. While I appreciate the quality of the Redding dies, (I own several,) when it comes to the Lee Collet Die they simply work and work well.

The Redding bushing dies transfer bad runout to the inside diameter of the case neck, while the Lee Collet Die places the lack of concentricity to the outside and leaves the inside diameter a mirror image of the mandrel, which has no runout.

I have a 20 year old Ruger bolt gun in 30-06 with the only modifications being reduced trigger pull and a glass bedding job. After discovering the collet die, this gun became a boringly consistent 3/4 minute of angle shooter. It is a bit of an effort to remove all of the copper fouling but in the woods it's a whitetail's worst nightmare.
I welcome you as well!

I do see a slight error in your engineering that really needs to be brought to light.
* without a sizing ball in a die your correct in your assumption that the error will be pushed towards the I.D. of the case neck. It's a natural thing to take the path of least resistence

* but if you have a die with a sizer ball in it; the error will be pushed outwards towards the O.D. of the case. (path of least resistence again)

* But if you use a sizer ball and a bushing at the sametime the path of least resistence should be ever so slightly in the I.D. due to area alone. In theory you could use the sizing ball to sorta iron out the the I.D., and force it into a bushing of a certain size. I know of no one that does this, and perhaps the shoulder of the case might collapse instead

I size my cases in a full length Forster die (I like their stem better than anybody elses). Then I shave my necks to the diameter I'm after. I never run a sizer stem thru those cases again unless something has gone wrong. The bushing floats and simply follows the O.D. of the neck; which we already know is turned concentric with the I.D. (Wilson die) My main concern here is the collet itself following the neck, or will the neck follow the collet. It appears that at least in some case the collet follows the neck. I didn't get that when I tried them, but I'm going to try it again. I still have second thoughts about the lines left in the neck, and my necks were not round
gary
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 02-20-2011, 12:18 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: greenwood, IN
Posts: 3,546
Re: Lee Collet Dies vs Redding S bushing dies

Quote:
Originally Posted by boomtube View Post
"I've never saw a bench rest shooter using them,.."

Ah, but they aren't BR dies and make no pretense of being such, do they? And, for that matter, BR shooters don't typically use RCBS, Lyman, Hornady, Forster, Redding or Dillion neck dies either so where does that leave us? Fact is, the Lee collet is properly used in normal factory rifles with SAAMI chambers and for that they may be equalled but they can't be beat.

Anyone getting "vertical creases" in case necks from using this die is (1) using far more pressure than the directions suggest and much more than is needed to properly size the necks and (2) even when they exist, the "creases" are very shallow bulges and external only, they have no noticible impact on the life of the cases.
ever been to a 1000 service rifle shoot?
gary
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 02-20-2011, 01:51 PM
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Cheraw S.C.
Posts: 285
Re: Lee Collet Dies vs Redding S bushing dies

OK guys we all know that the Lee Collet is a great die to work with or use.all of my dies are Lee.have been able to load a 223 case over 20 times without the trouble of bolt lift.and the loads are hot.but that was before I really saw the facts or need to anneal and bump the shoulder back.now I do a 5 times necked with the Collet die and anneal then bump the shoulder back with a Lee FL die.so yes I really like the saveings of the Lee dies and the groups I get from them.

again I love the dies.even to add to the post I do know of a Jr. benchrest shooter that uses the Lee collet die set.he has even been able to set 3 Jr, F-class records useing the dies we have all been speaking of.so if that doesn't help out to help you come to the idea if you need to use a Lee collet die what will.and he is even a memeber to this very site.but will not say his name because he has no need to prove himself.the records he set says it all.

so go and get you a Lee collet die and start useing it.so what if you might have to polish some of the parts.you will just end up with a grea die to load up some great ammo.but hey this is something I and a whole lot others have choose to do.and that its just an opinion of mine.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 02-20-2011, 07:26 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: greenwood, IN
Posts: 3,546
Re: Lee Collet Dies vs Redding S bushing dies

well I'm going to go back and at least give the collet dies a fair handshake. Be nice if I had a threaded bushing die to compair them to.
gary
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads for: Lee Collet Dies vs Redding S bushing dies
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
lee collet dies/rcbs dies/foster bonanza dies/who's dies are best? 30-06 boy Reloading 57 10-28-2012 09:22 PM
Redding S bushing Dies Frank7mm Reloading 2 03-14-2010 10:27 PM
Redding type s bushing dies VS FL Resizing dies Cruizin Reloading 0 12-09-2008 01:09 PM
redding bushing dies and seating dies 4ked Horn Reloading 1 06-22-2005 07:41 AM
Reloading with Redding Bushing Dies? MAELTY The Basics, Starting Out 1 04-04-2004 06:20 PM

Current Poll
Do you watch outdoor shows live or by recording them?
Always recorded - 13.29%
110 Votes
Mostly recorded - 24.15%
200 Votes
Sometimes recorded - 14.49%
120 Votes
Rarely or never recorded - 48.07%
398 Votes
Total Votes: 828
You may not vote on this poll.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Management Powered by vBadvanced CMPS
All content ©2010-2014 Long Range Hunting, LLC