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Ladder test target, and how to interpit it

 
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Old 04-03-2005, 12:02 PM
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Ladder test target, and how to interpit it

I finially got a chance to shoot the ladder test with my 300WM that I have been waiting to shoot for a month or so. This test was shot following the setup that is detailed in the ladder test document i have sent to several members here at LRH, with a couple of exceptions.
This test was shot using 220SMKs, and H4831sc, a combo I have used before. What I changed was the seating length, going from .a 3.411" (3.828 on the SP gauge) to a 3.538" (3.955" on the SP gauge). The shorter is a load that I setup to fit in the magazine of my rifle. I started at 65.8gr of powder because I already know that there is another node below this at the shorter length, and because I know this load at this length is safe in my rifle..... no need to waste powder and bullets checking.
It was about 10 minutes before sunset when I was ready to squeeze the trigger the first time, so, as expected, the chrony was blind to the bullets screaming overhead.
I also borrowed the video camera from my brother in law, and set it up about 20 feet from the target at about a 45 degree angle. The camera makes it easier for me to concentrate on breaking the shot, not peering through the spotting scope to find the new bullet hole. its a superior metod compared to using shoot N see targets if you can controll the conditions (as in, not shooting the camera, and not having others around who will shoot it for you.
Here is the layout of the test,

collums are, order of shots, powder weight, Bearing surface length, Expected velocity, actual velocity, and notes.
I used a .3gr step because of the case volume, and I specified the BS length because these are the "oddball" lengths from the sorted bullets. All bullets were uniformed with the meplat uniformer i made myself. If you missed it its over in the bullets and ballistics forum.
Below the rows and colums, is a diagram of my ammo box, and where each round is in the box. Os mean loaded rounds in the box that ae not part of the test.... in this case, the rounds this load will replace, 220SMKs over 73grs of H1000. the Xs are empty spaces. This layout helps me keep track of where I am in the test.
Here is the target.

The numbers are from the left most column. Notice there is no #3. The first two rounds hit where I wanted them, so I didn't need to shoot it. Rounds 1, and 2 were for adjusting the POI and fouling the barrel. After I saw where #2 landed, I decided to exclude #3.
The first thig you will nottice is that there are basically 2 groups, and that the top one is to the left of the lower one. the wind was dying down as the sun went down, so the latter shots did not need the full correction I had applied at the beginning of the test, so they moved left. Further, the horizontal spread is also due to the variation of wind speed. 1mph equates to .5inches of deflection with this load, at this range.

Ill let all of you who are interested take a look at the target, and get some idea where you think you would find the most accurate load before I post back with where I think it is, and what the groups I shot for conformation look like.
I have always been a promoter of the ladder test method of load development, and I believe there is no better way of working up a load.
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Old 04-03-2005, 08:18 PM
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Re: Ladder test target, and how to interpit it

I have never seen this before, would you be willing to e-mail a copy of how it works and how to do it, Please.
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Old 04-03-2005, 09:49 PM
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Re: Ladder test target, and how to interpret it

Check out what Toby Bradshaw writes on Load Build

After that, I use the technique LynnD uses to find a mode. Note when I do this I have a Std-Dev column too. (which is really required) and maybe an extreme Spread.
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Re: Ladder test target, and how to interpret it

Your process on the other thread sounded interesting. Tried it with a 223 HK SL 8 that we were trying to figure out.

Our target was too close @100 yds to see any verticle dispersion but was able in 20 shots to settle on the load for that particular bullet. Thus, for us it worked.

Just got a 375 H&H and figure that anything that will reduce the number of shots to find "the" load is a benefit. Will be giving it a go one of these first days.

I can only see one 3 shot sequence that looks like a potential "Load", <font color="blue"> if I were doing the shooting</font> that's shots 5, 6 &amp; 7. If I don't really concentrate I string 'em up and down in that pattern.

BTW is there a prize for the one that pick's em out. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Old 04-03-2005, 10:51 PM
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Thanks abinok. I am going to say that load #13 is the load of choice because there is a pattern seen in loads 11 thru 15. 13 is in the center of that pattern. The pattern is a jump up from 11 to 12 then a slight decension from 12 to 13 to 14 then another jump up from 14 to 15. The pattern is a morror image of it's self with 13 being in the center of the image. This would show a harmonic tuning in and back out of the influences you wrote about in the email.

My vote is for 13.
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Old 04-04-2005, 10:21 AM
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Got the e-mail, thanks
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Re: Ladder test target, and how to interpit it

If those were your actual MV's and not just what you predicted I would be checking out and loading for 2660-2720 fps and see if the wind changing spread the group wide and the #10 shot was a fluke hitting high like that. 2680-2700 seems to be the target and would offer the most resiliancy.

If that didn't work out I'd load for 2600 fps or maybe try another powder.

BTW, how far away was the target? 300 yards?
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