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Just how accurate do I need to be?

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Unread 11-09-2005, 07:55 PM
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Re: Just how accurate do I need to be?

Thinkin' out loud here. @ 1000 yds, which is more probable, a 3 inch group with the slower velocity or a 5 inch group with the higher velocity? Just thinking of time of flight and affects of nature.

As you may gather, I'm a velocity Hawg [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Besides, you'll get to play with ia different barrel sooner. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Unread 11-10-2005, 12:13 AM
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Re: Just how accurate do I need to be?

I almost always take raw accuracy over velocity. When hunting small targets like dall sheep or coues whitetails you need raw accuracy to hit the vitals and less velocity to do the job. When I am after moose, given the size of the target, I demand less accuracy and more power. When I say less accuracy I am talking about .5 to .75 MOA at the intended ranges to be fired. Usually for moose its 600-700 yards. .75 MOA for a boiler that big will suffice. I still for that scene prefer .5 MOA. My sheep rig will deliver .5 MOA down range on a BAD day, but has a lower velocity than my moose rig. Sheep 190 SMK @ 2657 FPS, .25-.5 MOA. Moose 200 AB 3150 FPS, .5-.75 MOA. Use balance
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Unread 11-13-2005, 09:00 AM
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Re: Just how accurate do I need to be?

Oh...if you can shoot 5 shots from 1000 yds. and cover them with the palm of your hand.....that'll work for starters!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Unread 11-13-2005, 09:30 AM
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Re: Just how accurate do I need to be?

Just my .2
When I get to where you are at, next I run it out to 500 and shoot groups on a calm day. I had one like yours that held 1/2 MOA all the way out and the tiny grouper fell apart.
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Unread 11-13-2005, 06:47 PM
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Re: Just how accurate do I need to be?

At 1000 3" groups (5 shots) are rare as hens teeth and 10 shots are non-existant.

Your accuracy nodes are rarely at the top velocity.
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Unread 11-15-2005, 02:31 PM
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Re: Just how accurate do I need to be?

Iron worker I would take both loads and test them at 300 yards and see what one shoots the best. Sometimes when a bullet is going fast it will shoot better at 300 yards then it does at 100 yards. As for beating 240 Weatherby velocity that should not be a problem. I am shooting 95 B-Tips at 3526fps out of my 6-284. My rifle also really likes them hot. Infact when I get it to the point where it starts to open up the primer pockets on the Lapua brass it will shoot 1/2inch 3 shot groups at 300 yards all day long. But I will not let her have what she wants. So I get 3/4inch groups at 300 and have to live with it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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