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Hornady OAL Guage ?

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Unread 03-04-2010, 09:35 PM
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Re: Hornady OAL Guage ?

I use the Hornady OAL tool and another tool called the C.O.L. E-Z Check from R-P Products 318-424-7867. Here they are shown together

The R-P is much better but your question is about the Hornady. Sometimes it is difficult to get consistant measurements and there is a learning curve. But it is pretty straghtforward. First you zero the calipers with the comparator attached

then seat the modified case in the chamber and push the bullet to the lands

lock the gray rod and retract. Measure with the comparator attached

or measure for OAL with no comparator

The measurements will be different and the comparator body itself will take up 1.00" after zeroing. There will also be a slight difference because of the difference in the headspace of the modified case and the headspace on your loaded case (if any).

But I don't understand why you think that there would be an error induced in the measurement because of the angle of the caliper being different from the tool and loaded round. Both measure close to the center of the case head and there should not be any differences because of that.
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Unread 03-04-2010, 10:34 PM
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So I need to take the time to measure from the base to the ogive and figure out what lenght will fit in the magazine. I wonder if any gunsmiths have ever or can install a longer magazine on these rifles??? But then I need to see what is going to shoot the best for my rifle. I have read that for hunting purposes you can get by with being ten thousandths off the lands. But then I have also read that you want the tip of the bullet to be right on the lands. I first have to get my die situation fixed, I have went through 4 sets of dies, none of them work with the VLD bullets, Redding is suppose to be sending me a seater that will work with the berger bullets. I have also gotten in contact with Redding and Forster and found out that their competition seater die comes with a seater that works with VLD bullets. All these little gagets sure do add up "money".
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Unread 03-04-2010, 11:10 PM
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Statjunk, a little hard to follow this post, but a couple of things I can think of that may help.

1. Make sure your chamber area is completely clean. This includes the throat area. Any fouling or grime in these areas will give you erratic readings.

2. The comparator is drilled and tapped on both sides. I always set mine up with the screw on the back side of the caliper blade. You can see there is a difference in the two sides, one is offset, the other is straight on. Set the comparator up so it is offset when measuring your dummy round off of your lands. Then rotate the tool 180 degrees, and thread the screw into the backside of comparator for taking measurements of loaded rounds. It will be dead on straight when in this position.

3. Each time you move the comparator from side to side, re zero it on you calipers.

Freebird, I wouldn't worry too much about your freebore situation at this time. I have a couple of factory Remingtons that have quite a bit of freebore and they are tack drivers. I think it's much more important that the action, chamber, barrel and ammo are concentric. My 308 jumps .135, my Sendero jumps .126, both are capable of quarter inch groups.

As was mentioned, you will probably load to mag length, but it's still nice to know what the amount of jump is. When you get the hang of the Hornady tool, measure the freebore with one bullet and record the reading. Keep this bullet seperate with the notations. In the future, you can re measure with this bullet to keep an eye on throat erosion. Hope this helps.
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Unread 03-04-2010, 11:20 PM
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Like Moman and cedarswamp have said, it would be unusual for you to be able to load close to the lands and still fit the magazine. Especially with a 300RUM and a Remington rifle. Those are all made with a lot of jump.

Best thing for you to do is seat as long as your magazine will allow and forget about seating close to the lands. Find a load at an OAL that is .025" to .050" shorter than your mag and work on your seating depth consistancy, bullet grip and velocity to get the most accuracy.

A competition seater from Redding or Forster will definitely help but they are not cheap. A good seating die will help with seating depth consistancy and will not introduce additional runout. Won't cure any runout you have, but won't add any.
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Unread 03-04-2010, 11:32 PM
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Receved the new Sinclar catlog today in the mail (2010-A) on Pg. 40 is upper rt. of page is the Davidson seating depth checkers have been thinking of purchasing one of these to go with Hornady gauges as i see it would keep same angle when checking cases or OAL of loaded rounds.
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Unread 03-05-2010, 09:09 AM
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Woods and Moman,

Thanks for answering my question.

Specifically for Moman. So what you're telling me is the Hornady Comparator, specifically this one:

Bullet Comparators - Hornady LNL Comparator Set - 22 6mm 25 270 7mm 30 cal

Is offset on one side so that it lines up perfectly with the tool? Then can be squared back up to the caliper by placing the screw in the other side and reattaching it to the tool?

From the picture I can't see the offset. It that were the case it would get me much closer to the right answer but still not control for the placement of the caliper blade on a live round. I have a davidson comparitor but it can't be used with the Hornady OAL tool because it provides a base.

Woods, any chance you could provide a picture of the top of the comparator where it attaches to the caliper, to show the offset?

I would really appreciate it as this has been burning my biscuits for quite some time.

Thanks for pulling my thread back to address the issue I've been having and your detailed post.

Thanks to all

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Unread 03-05-2010, 09:24 AM
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Re: Hornady OAL Guage ?

The amount of pressure you use to push the bullet into the lands will make a big difference in your measurements. Come up with a method that is repeatable and uses the same amount of force to push the bullet into the lands. I just use one finger and very light pressure to just feel the bullet touch.
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