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Old 12-31-2005, 05:51 PM
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good PRECISION reloading book?

I know this has probably been discussed before. I did a quick search and found lots of stuff on general or beginning practices but not really anything on advanced techniques.

I am not a novice at reloading as I have been doing it for 25+ years. But I am a novice at true precision reloading. As I am beginning to stretch my shooting out to 1000+ yards, I know I need to be more precise in my loading.

What I have not been able to find is a book that has all those tricks that BR and other competition guys use to make sure their ammo is the best it can possibly be. A few days ago I saw a post about seating bullets with multiple short strokes and rotating the case in the process. The reason for this over just seating a bullet with a single stroke is obvious, I had just never heard of it before. My question is, how many other little tricks like this do precision loaders use that like that one I have never heard of?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Thanks in advance for any help pointing me in the right direction guys!
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Old 01-01-2006, 08:29 AM
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Re: good PRECISION reloading book?

I think that what you'd find is, rather than any kind of consensus, only one guy's opinion. One guy who happened to be astute enough to get his words into print.

This guy---> http://www.6mmbr.com/schatz1000.html Sort of re-wrote some of the rules to suit himself and ended up setting a world record. He admittedly does not neck turn brass, and he doesn't uniform primer pockets!

Most of the body of knowledge in competition handloading is just handed from one guy to the next, and assumed to be gospel. As it is said, you can tell a lie often enough and folks will begin to believe it.

It's a rare person who ever gets the time and material to really put some of the shop worn edicts of precision handloading to the test. Some guys (like myself) do little microcosmical tests here and there, and draw our own conclusions and sometimes share the results. But such tests aren't really scientific, and generally there are at least a dozen angles from which a detractor can come to "tear your little test a new one." [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

But still, in the end, there are two types of guys: Those who test ideas, and those who believe what "that guy said."

There is wisdom to both approaches, actually. We don't want to spend too much time re-inventing the wheel, but on the other hand, nothing new will ever be learned if someone (like the afformentioned Richard Schatz, see the link above) doesn't challenge conventional wisdom.

Just because G. David himself does it one way that doesn't mean that some guy won't come along and do it another way--and win.

So what I'm saying is that there probably are books out there which cater to long range precision accuracy. Most will have more to do with the rifle, the rest, and shooting technique than they will with handloading. But there will be at least a chapter or two dedicated to the author's way of doing things.

I agree with Schatz that neck turning brass simply means that you've bought the wrong batch of brass (my paraphrase). I also agree with him that uniforming primer pockets should be superfluous in a quality piece of brass--which, if you're serious, is what you should be using in the first place...

If you can get the time, test these ideas on your own. See what works and what doesn't.

I wonder how many neck turners and primer pocket uniformers have been sold to schmoes like me over the years because none of us ever thought to question conventional wisdom? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Old 01-01-2006, 09:00 AM
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Re: good PRECISION reloading book?

I would thoroughly recommend the "Precision Shooting Reloading Guide" :

http://www.precisionshooting.com/books.html
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Re: good PRECISION reloading book?

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I wonder how many neck turners and primer pocket uniformers have been sold to schmoes like me over the years because none of us ever thought to question conventional wisdom? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Dan

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guess I'm a schmoe too, but may be a coincidence b/c ever since I started turning and uniforming, I started getting more one holers for 3-5 shots. Who knows.
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Old 01-01-2006, 04:40 PM
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Re: good PRECISION reloading book?

Thanks, Green 788 and Brown Dog.

I will check out the link 788 suggested and order the book Brown Dog reccomends......

I am definatly one of the experimenter types, but I just hate it when I make some great discovery of something that works...............then find out that everyone who knows anything has already been doing that forever [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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Old 01-03-2006, 06:41 PM
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Re: good PRECISION reloading book?

I found the book "Precision Reloading & Shooting Handbook" by Fred Sinclair and Bill Gravatt to be a good, practical approach for more accurate loads. Check the Sinclair site for availability.
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Old 01-03-2006, 08:18 PM
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Re: good PRECISION reloading book?

RDM416, I gotta say something about your comment below:

"A few days ago I saw a post about seating bullets with multiple short strokes and rotating the case in the process. The reason for this over just seating a bullet with a single stroke is obvious, I had just never heard of it before. My question is, how many other little tricks like this do precision loaders use that like that one I have never heard of??"

The above seating process is not a little (nor big) trick. Bullets seat themselves pretty much aligned with the case neck axis. If the neck is bent off axis from the case body, the bullet will seat crooked regardless of how it's pushed in the neck.

If your resized cases have straight necks, you can almost use a ball peen hammer to seat bullets and they'll be very straight. Or at least a conventional seating die. Bullets cannot be seated straight in a case with a bent neck. Expander balls bend case necks.

Looking at the track record of the two girls who have won the 1000-yard individual matches at the nationals 5 times each (one with scope the other with aperture sights), these gals are probably shooting the most accurate 6.5x284 rifles on this planet. The guy who makes their rifles and loads their ammo is a dad to the younger one shooting scope and husband to the other one shooting irons. He full-length resizes the cases but doesn't use expander balls. The die's neck is opened up just enough to full-length size the cases and set the shoulder back a couple thousandths. The case necks are very straight. He, his wife and daughter have been winning matches and setting records for years. There are no tricks to his reloading processes; plain, simple use of good components. And those rifles will probably shoot all day long inside 5 to 6 inches at 1000 yards. Oh, his other daughter won the world long range championships a year or two ago.
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