Long Range Hunting Online Magazine


Go Back   Long Range Hunting Online Magazine > Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment > Reloading

Reloading Techniques For Reloading


Reply

Dirty cases after firing

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-05-2012, 03:14 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Port Elizabeth, South Africa
Posts: 22
Dirty cases after firing

Hi all
I have recently had some very dirty cases after firing, black powder all over the case and down to the rim, not all the cases and not all the same measure of dirt but nevertheless not what I expect should happen. Have spoken to a few gents and could be neck tension problem, lube on cases, dirty chamber, low pressure etc.
Herewith my details so if anyone has an opinion please feel free to guide me as well:

Redding match type s dies with nitrade/carbide bushing, .335 size.
Lapua cases, 308 win, Nosler Custom Comp 155g bullets, 42.2g S335 (local powder), COAL 2.860 (measured to touch the lands at 2.883). I am also using the match seating die from Redding.

Do not think it is low pressure with the given load, this did not happen with lower charges of 41.5 tot 42g and slightly shorter seating depths (2.850).

I want to try a smaller (.334) bushing and see if this improves the situation but I suspect as my other loads are not showing this problem that I might be the culprit with a dirty chamber and not properly cleaned (resizing lube) cases before firing.
Anyway, here's a pic of the offending case, this was the worst one, not all looked like this,
thanks for any advice guys.
Attached Thumbnails - Click to View Larger
Dirty cases after firing-20120904_185105_opt.jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-05-2012, 03:22 AM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Afognak Island, Alaska
Posts: 502
Re: Dirty cases after firing

My guess was low pressure loads but your not getting it at 41.5 so that doesn't make sense. I've seen low pressure loads do that and it looked exactly like your cases.
Lube would be my second guess.
__________________
Long Range Sickle
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-05-2012, 09:42 AM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: The cold part of Montana
Posts: 1,390
Re: Dirty cases after firing

How many reloads do you have on these cases? could be their work hardened need to be annealed.
__________________
Keep in mind the animals we shoot for food and display are not bullet proof. Contrary to popular belief, they bleed and die just like they did a hundred years ago. Being competent with a given rifle is far more important than impressive ballistics and poor shootability. High velocity misses never put a steak in the freezer.

Joe
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-05-2012, 10:32 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Port Elizabeth, South Africa
Posts: 22
Re: Dirty cases after firing

Joe
Only about 1 or 2 reloads on these cases, and the loads have been mild, 41.5g, only recently tried getting a bit more speed and increased to 41.8, 42 and 42.2g, just these 42.2g which has given this powder residue, will test some more loads this weekend and ensure that the cases are clean and chamber clean as some suggested that some lube or dirty chamber can be the cause. Hopefully it is.
If not maybe neck tension, I have ordered a .334 bushing to see if that will improve the fit as I think my bullets are seated quite long (2.860) and possibly the shank pressing against the neck is less thus less seal thus less pressure (sorry my best layman explanation).
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-05-2012, 10:45 AM
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Southwest Virginia
Posts: 122
Re: Dirty cases after firing

My guess would be dirty chamber full of cleaning solution. If you leave any copper remover or something like ballistol it can cause discoloration like this. The brass that I have had this happen to have never been as dirty as yours though. They had a mottled blackening and graying of the brass. Good luck
__________________
Learning every day.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-05-2012, 11:13 AM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: The cold part of Montana
Posts: 1,390
Re: Dirty cases after firing

Quote:
Originally Posted by 112Savage View Post
My guess would be dirty chamber full of cleaning solution. If you leave any copper remover or something like ballistol it can cause discoloration like this. The brass that I have had this happen to have never been as dirty as yours though. They had a mottled blackening and graying of the brass. Good luck

That's what I was thinking actually
__________________
Keep in mind the animals we shoot for food and display are not bullet proof. Contrary to popular belief, they bleed and die just like they did a hundred years ago. Being competent with a given rifle is far more important than impressive ballistics and poor shootability. High velocity misses never put a steak in the freezer.

Joe
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-05-2012, 06:18 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: N.D.
Posts: 3,013
Re: Dirty cases after firing

What was the ambient air temp when the first(41.5) and second(42.2) series of rounds were fired? If it was significantly colder, you could have a borderline ignition problem. When it's hot powder lights easier and you can sometimes get fooled into thinking a standard primer is fine when you should be using a magnum. I've seen it more in varying accuracy, but sooty shoulders is somewhat common too. The lead is to switch either powder or primer and see if it stops.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads for: Dirty cases after firing
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dirty brass Tarbooman Reloading 4 01-02-2012 06:44 AM
Dirty Brass BuckSnort Reloading 10 05-09-2011 04:47 PM
Is Varget Dirty? justgoto General Discussion 5 04-14-2011 09:39 AM
Dirty cases? earl1704 Reloading 5 01-04-2009 09:01 PM
Shoots Better Dirty??? FullCurlHunter Rifles, Bullets, Barrels and Ballistics 7 09-11-2008 08:19 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Management Powered by vBadvanced CMPS
All content ©2010-2014 Long Range Hunting, LLC