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Best Press For Precision Shooting? (Single Stage vs. Turret)

 
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:00 PM
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Re: Best Press For Precision Shooting? (Single Stage vs. Turret)

If i was starting out I would recommend the Forster Co-Ax for a press and agree with everyone on the fact that dies make the big difference. Go with Redding or Forster, the extra $10 for a set goes a long ways. The Co-Ax is very easy to set up and change dies with minimal or no adjustment. It is quick and I love the self indexing shell plate. As a side the Hornady bullet puller does work in this press.

That being said I load the majority of my go to calibers even magnums on a turret press and have found zero difference in quality. I followed allot of great advice (and ruled out some bad) from these forums. The O-ring under the die works great, ensuring you clean the shell holder with a stiff brush before loading, rotating the case when bullet seating. The turret press is very handy and I have several turrets set up by size which does save time and effort. I rarely have to make adjustment once set up, I even clean the dies in the turret.

I have loaded a lot of .223 on a Dillon 550 and find that I do have to tweak the dies but it loads damn near as well. Its all about keeping an eye on things and measuring frequently. Have fun!
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:49 PM
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Some great advice above, not much to add in those terms.

But I would like to add, try to find a "reloading mentor", someone who can give you on the spot advice and help you set things up and keep you on track for about a year or more.

I have been shooting shotgun at clay for over 15 years but metallic reloading is an entirely different study. I did all my homework and bought a Redding T-7 turret with Redding dies and a very kind fellow shooter helped me get up to speed. This is a great press for handgun and probably everything else but i have only used it for handgun so far.

I am now getting into bottle neck rifle and will probably use a Redding Big Boss. I think I will be using Forster dies for this application only because I want to try them. I am also going to use a RCBS 1010 (mentor's choice) scale for the rifle but keep using the powder drop for the handgun at least for now.

Of note, read anything you can get your hands on. The ABCs of Reloading is a great book. I had read Lee's a few years back before the T-7 and it helped as well. Next is going to be Lyman's. I am already looking for more reads.

My advice, find a mentor and read, read, read. Great stuff and nice people on this site as well may I add.
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Some great advice above, not much to add in those terms.

But I would like to add, try to find a "reloading mentor", someone who can give you on the spot advice and help you set things up and keep you on track for about a year or more.

I have been shooting shotgun at clay for over 15 years but metallic reloading is an entirely different study. I did all my homework and bought a Redding T-7 turret with Redding dies and a very kind fellow shooter helped me get up to speed. This is a great press for handgun and probably everything else but i have only used it for handgun so far.

I am now getting into bottle neck rifle and will probably use a Redding Big Boss. I think I will be using Forster dies for this application only because I want to try them. I am also going to use a RCBS 1010 (mentor's choice) scale for the rifle but keep using the powder drop for the handgun at least for now.

Of note, read anything you can get your hands on. The ABCs of Reloading is a great book. I had read Lee's a few years back before the T-7 and it helped as well. Next is going to be Lyman's. I am already looking for more reads.

My advice, find a mentor and read, read, read. Great stuff and nice people on this site as well may I add.
your kinda lucky in that you have someone to help you thru the learning stages. I knew a couple guys that reloaded and my brother did as well, but at the time these guys literally threw their rounds together. I made a trip to the NRA convention one year with my brother, and I guess we wondered around in there for two solid days! They had a row of presses setup with .308 dies in them with barrels of military .308 brass in them. I tried them all several times (there were no sales folks close by), and kept going back to one certain press. A guy walks up to me that I'd seen in Shooting Times magazine for several years, and simply said that's the one. Of course that was the late Bob Milek. He said he owned two of them, and told me a lot about how they worked. He also showed me the ins and outs of several other brands on display. Then this really tall guy walks up and Milek introduces me to Bill Jordan and Skeeter Skelton came over a minute or so later. I was in seventh heavan!! I saw Elmer Kieth about a hundred feet away, but he got away before Bob could catch up with him (had that huge cowboy hat on, and really stood out).

I go home with all kinds of notions in my mind as to what I wanted. Brother said to buy this kind or that kind, but I knew I didn't like them that well. Went to work that night and went down to see the guy I bought most of my firearms from. Told him to buy this press, and he said are you sure? I said get me one! He gets it for the then ghastly sum of $83!! Brother said I was flat nuts for spending that much as did Jerry (the dealer). The press comes in, and Jerry calls me up to ask me for permission to try it out as he's never quite seen anything like like it. I said it was alright with me, and a couple days later he orders in five more of them (he sold four of them in one weekend alone). When I picked up the press I also bought a Lyman .357 mag die set to go along with the well used C&H 30 Herrett die set I had (keep in mind I also had no idea how to set them up). I promptly destroyed the stem in the 30 Herrett die! I needed some parts and had no idea who C&H was, but started calling around and got one in the mail. Then I needed some other stuff and called Fred Sinclair, and he literally coached me into my setup right on the phone! About a week later I get this book in the mail from Fred on precision reloading (this was before the book went into print). It seemed like I was asking him questions about once a week, and he walked me right thru the process. I should have never started out with the Herrett. Since then I've bought many dies off Fred and a lot of reloading items. When I got back to the 30 Herrett seriously I got back in contact with Milek, and we traded letters back and fourth for a couple years. He was moving into XP's at the time, but was always there for a answer. Between Fred and Bob, I don't know that I'd ever got anywhere without them.

Now I do about 25 different rounds when I'm in the mood, and rarely reach a glitch (we all have at one time or another). I own dies from Forster, Redding, RCBS, Lyman, and Hornaday. I prefer the first two brands for bottlenecked cases, but for some oddball reason I like the Lymans for my revolvers. And yes I did replace those old Herrett dies with a Forster set. Now I have a 30 caliber Super Herrett in the works as soon as I can lay my hands on the right bolt action single shot pistol.
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your kinda lucky in that you have someone to help you thru the learning stages. I knew a couple guys that reloaded and my brother did as well, but at the time these guys literally threw their rounds together. I made a trip to the NRA convention one year with my brother, and I guess we wondered around in there for two solid days! They had a row of presses setup with .308 dies in them with barrels of military .308 brass in them. I tried them all several times (there were no sales folks close by), and kept going back to one certain press. A guy walks up to me that I'd seen in Shooting Times magazine for several years, and simply said that's the one. Of course that was the late Bob Milek. He said he owned two of them, and told me a lot about how they worked. He also showed me the ins and outs of several other brands on display. Then this really tall guy walks up and Milek introduces me to Bill Jordan and Skeeter Skelton came over a minute or so later. I was in seventh heavan!! I saw Elmer Kieth about a hundred feet away, but he got away before Bob could catch up with him (had that huge cowboy hat on, and really stood out).

I go home with all kinds of notions in my mind as to what I wanted. Brother said to buy this kind or that kind, but I knew I didn't like them that well. Went to work that night and went down to see the guy I bought most of my firearms from. Told him to buy this press, and he said are you sure? I said get me one! He gets it for the then ghastly sum of $83!! Brother said I was flat nuts for spending that much as did Jerry (the dealer). The press comes in, and Jerry calls me up to ask me for permission to try it out as he's never quite seen anything like like it. I said it was alright with me, and a couple days later he orders in five more of them (he sold four of them in one weekend alone). When I picked up the press I also bought a Lyman .357 mag die set to go along with the well used C&H 30 Herrett die set I had (keep in mind I also had no idea how to set them up). I promptly destroyed the stem in the 30 Herrett die! I needed some parts and had no idea who C&H was, but started calling around and got one in the mail. Then I needed some other stuff and called Fred Sinclair, and he literally coached me into my setup right on the phone! About a week later I get this book in the mail from Fred on precision reloading (this was before the book went into print). It seemed like I was asking him questions about once a week, and he walked me right thru the process. I should have never started out with the Herrett. Since then I've bought many dies off Fred and a lot of reloading items. When I got back to the 30 Herrett seriously I got back in contact with Milek, and we traded letters back and fourth for a couple years. He was moving into XP's at the time, but was always there for a answer. Between Fred and Bob, I don't know that I'd ever got anywhere without them.

Now I do about 25 different rounds when I'm in the mood, and rarely reach a glitch (we all have at one time or another). I own dies from Forster, Redding, RCBS, Lyman, and Hornaday. I prefer the first two brands for bottlenecked cases, but for some oddball reason I like the Lymans for my revolvers. And yes I did replace those old Herrett dies with a Forster set. Now I have a 30 caliber Super Herrett in the works as soon as I can lay my hands on the right bolt action single shot pistol.
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What press was it?
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What press was it?
a Bananza, which later became a Forster. It's so old that the priming device still uses the normal shell holders but with the larger hole inside them. Also just as tight today as the day I removed it from the box in 1978
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a Bananza, which later became a Forster. It's so old that the priming device still uses the normal shell holders but with the larger hole inside them. Also just as tight today as the day I removed it from the box in 1978
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Thats what I thought. They are cool I want one.
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Thats what I thought. They are cool I want one.
I also have a small RCBS Partner press right beside the big press (it really looks small compaired to the other). I use it for a couple little jobs that seem awkward in the Co-Ax. The press was checked with a magnetic cylinder square about six years ago (I used a certified six inch square ) that was about one inch in diameter), and after a very light stoning of the bolster plate turned out to be extremely square when checked on four sides of the cylinder, and the error of the cylinder square computed. Looked to be well under .0008" in the full travel. The reason I had to hit the bolster plate with an India stone was that I found a couple of small bumps that I never noticed before. Looked like the female threads for the sliding jaws was the problem. I wanted to use a small granit cube, but it just wouldn't fit in there. The figures I got pretty much showed up in resized cases and loaded ammo when you figure in errors from the lock ring on the die and the case rim (about .0015" is the norm).

I also did a similar test with my K&M arbor press, and it really wasn't as square, but with the Wilson dies being so tight it didn't matter much.
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