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Best Long Range .30cal Hunting bullet

 
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Old 08-11-2013, 07:05 PM
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Best Long Range .30cal Hunting bullet

Hello I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm in the process of building a custom long range rifle chambered in .308 Norma Magnum. I'm trying to find the ultimate long range bullet that has a great BC, amazing terminal performance, and able to make kills on elk out to 1000 yards. I have looked at Hornady's 178gr and 208gr AMAX and really like the 208 but think it may be a bit too heavy. I have a few boxes of 190gr Sierra Match Kings that are more of a target bullet but my uncle has killed mule deer and elk with them but I don't want to chance it. I'm really wanting the new Nosler 190gr Long Range Accubond bullets but on Midway's sight they keep saying that they're coming soon. So thats why I'm asking you guys. My rifle is nothing high tech just an old Model 1917 Enfield action that I'm putting a 28" Hart stainless barrel on with a 1:10 twist and a #4 contour, Leupold 6.5-20x scope, thumbhole stock, and a cock on open kit and Dayton TriStar trigger. My uncle and I are working on it right now and its mainly going to be used for deer, elk, and varmint/predator hunting out to 800-1000 yards but able to be carried into the mountains without having to wheel it around on a carriage haha.
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Old 08-11-2013, 07:12 PM
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Re: Best Long Range .30cal Hunting bullet

Probably should of put this in the rifles, bullets, barrels, and ballistics forum.
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Old 08-11-2013, 07:26 PM
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Re: Best Long Range .30cal Hunting bullet

Based on what Broz showed us last year the Berger 215 match hybrid target is THE bullet for your 30 cal rifle.

The very long thread on the 215 hybrid starts here:

Comparing the Berger 210 VLD to the 215 Hybrid

IIRC there were over 20 animals taken with that bullet using a 300 win mag.

Besides the high BC of .696 hybrids are not finicky about seating depth.

Another choice which worked well for Broz and friends was the 230 gr OTM tactical. There is another thread on LRH showing how well it took care of around a dozen animals . I have the 230 gr match hybrid target loaded in my 300 RUM and if things go right I'll be shooting an elk this winter.

Let us know how it shoots for you.
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Old 08-11-2013, 07:41 PM
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Re: Best Long Range .30cal Hunting bullet

That is a bit heavy for the .308 Norma and fear velocity would be really low and besides they are unavailable everywhere I look. I'm really leaning towards the 208gr AMAX which has a BC of .650 and have read about great DRT performance with them but I haven't tried them so can't vouch for that. What would be the minimum energy you'd recommend for taking elk?
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Old 08-11-2013, 09:54 PM
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Re: Best Long Range .30cal Hunting bullet

Advice on the 215berger hybrid is good and would be my preferred bullet on elk. Take this from a guy that has a 300RUM shooting the 208amax at 3275fps. I would not be confident in the Amax to take down an elk. The bullet is pretty fragile and I would look for a tougher bullet. If you can't get the bergers or you think you can't get the ballistic signature you want, then I'd look at the accubonds.

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Re: Best Long Range .30cal Hunting bullet

Berger or LR AccuBond. The ones you can find and hope your gun likes them. This is just my preference.
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Old 08-11-2013, 10:08 PM
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Re: Best Long Range .30cal Hunting bullet

To me it is all about BC for minimized wind drift. Retained energy is better with a heavy high BC bullet than a lighter faster bullet after several hundred yards. You can compensate for drop but drift can get you into trouble.

Energy? I can't say for sure but maybe 1500 ft/lb? Guys kill elk with far less but shots have to be well placed.

I think you should compare the performance of the 215 hybrid, the 208 or 178 A-max and on a ballistics program.

One of my rifles would seem a real looser but it has down range performance that is quite amazing. It is a long throated 338 RCM that shoots the high .818 BC 300 gr Berger hybrid.
Velocity is a deceivingly slow 2550 fps. BUT it sure works downrange. I used it last year on a coues wt hunt. Killed my buck at 400 yds. It still had 3344 ft/lb of energy with 5.5 inches of wind drift in a 10 mph crosswind at our 4000 ft elevation. The bullet exited and the buck died soon there after. It retains 3000 ft/lb at 550 yds/2214 ft/lb at 1000 yd but I wouldn't shoot at an elk that far.That is a long shot with any of my rifles and I am not willing.

I crunched the 215 on JBM's program for 7500 ft elevation and 2650 fps:
Wind drift is 10 mph in a 90 degree crosswind

Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Velocity Energy
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (ft/s) (ft•lbs)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 2652.6 3358.5
100 1.9 1.8 0.3 2575.1 3165.1
200 -0.0 -0.0 1.2 2498.9 2980.6
300 -7.4 -2.4 2.8 2424.1 2804.8
400 -20.8 -5.0 5.0 2350.5 2637.2
500 -40.4 -7.7 7.9 2278.2 2477.5
600 -66.8 -10.6 11.5 2207.2 2325.4
700 -100.3 -13.7 15.9 2137.4 2180.6
800 -141.3 -16.9 21.1 2068.8 2043.0
900 -190.6 -20.2 27.2 2001.6 1912.2
1000 -248.4 -23.7 34.1 1935.6 1788.3

You asked for best bullet....perhaps Broz or some others will offer their thoughts.
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