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anyone know the formula to fireform brass with cream of wheat?

 
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Old 12-13-2005, 01:33 PM
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Re: anyone know the formula to fireform brass with cream of wheat?

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Old 12-13-2005, 08:45 PM
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Re: anyone know the formula to fireform brass with cream of wheat?

That would be Win231 or HP 38. Those are the only powders I have used. Of course, start low and work up. don't use any instant powdered stuff and be careful if the 'loads' are left in wet or humid climates/conditions. You don't want the filler to harden.

I make up my loads a day before shooting.

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Old 12-14-2005, 10:21 AM
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Re: anyone know the formula to fireform brass with cream of wheat?

This is probably a really stupid question but here goes...

How do you know when you have used enough powder to form the case?

The cases I am thinking about are virgin 7mm Remington Magnum Cases run through a full length sizing die for a .257 Weatherby that is adjusted so the bolt gives slight resistance when closing.
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:46 PM
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Re: anyone know the formula to fireform brass with cream of wheat?

I may not understand the question, but to attempt this: [ QUOTE ]
the bolt gives slight resistance when closing.

[/ QUOTE ] as a function of fireforming is not quite the purpose, unless you are shooting full charge ammo with a bullet, and then bumping the shoulder?

The only thing gained by fireforming is the expansion of case dimensions. Resizing, on the other hand contracts the outer dimensions. It would be very difficult to accomplish both, by a fireforming operation. Additionally, you still need to fire an assembled cartridge in your modified chamber before you have aquired a case that actually "fits" your chamber, and has achieved proper case capacity, to the point where it would benefit by "bumping" the shoulder.

You know when you have used enough powder when the case "looks" similiar to the chamber dimensions, althugh the angles may not be quite as sharp and distinct as if you had used a full power cartridge, in the case (situation) of an Improved cartridge, like an Ackley. It almost always requires a second firing to get the sharp corners....without a bullet.

Now, if this (information) doesn't further confuse you, I'd be surprised. It would be better to take a couple baby steps than try to grasp the whole enchillada.

Another question that comes to mind is why screw with 7Mag cases, when you can buy 257 Weatherby, and omit some tedious procedures?

Good hunting. LB

edit: another thing I would like to comment on. I have used the filler "cream of wheat" several times and it seems that we are overlooking the fact that it is completely unnecessary, and causes more problems than it is worth. You don't need it; and if you use it, you will probably get it in the action and inside the chamber area where it will produce dents when you fire the next shot.

Use a fast pistol powder and rolled up newsprint and point the barrel straight up in the air and if you need more powder, add more powder. On the other hand, metering cream of wheat or weighing it and cleaning it out of your action and chamber is a real (and unnecessary) mess. I have been there and done that and the inert media is a bad idea, regardless of where or how many times you have seen it described in various places. Some information is better than other information. LB
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Old 12-15-2005, 06:14 PM
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Re: anyone know the formula to fireform brass with cream of wheat?

LB

That actually helps me out a bunch...and I understand it better than I did [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

The reason I went with the 7mm Remington Cases vs. just buying .257 Weatherby was this - $0.34/case vs. $1.00/case.

Second, I guess the Cream of Wheat thing is not applicable here because after I run the 7mm brass through the FL sizer for the .257 Weatherby, things look pretty much like they ought to. They are just not formed to the chamber, but if what you say is true, cream of wheat won't get me there anyway. I will just assemble some light loads and shoot them to get some brass that fits my chamber and then start load work up from there.

Any flaws in my thinking?

Thanks.
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Old 01-24-2006, 12:56 PM
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Re: anyone know the formula to fireform brass with cream of wheat?

So you´d just use some fast pistol powder and paper... what do you mean by rolled up?

do you think shotgun powder would work too for fireforming??Should do since in some cases is similar to pistol powder.
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Re: anyone know the formula to fireform brass with cream of wheat?

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The reason I went with the 7mm Remington Cases vs. just buying .257 Weatherby was this - $0.34/case vs. $1.00/case.
.......after I run the 7mm brass through the FL sizer for the .257 Weatherby, things look pretty much like they ought to............ I will just assemble some light loads and shoot them to get some brass that fits my chamber and then start load work up from there.

Any flaws in my thinking?

Thanks.

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Light loads are not needed. I fireform with my full house Ackley loads on my 25-06AI. Accuracy is good and I have never lost a case or wasted any powder because I'm having a good time shooting stuff with it. I would use 5 for load developement and then just load up 100 real ones for practice.

I have 2-257Wby a 2-7mm Rem mags. I prefer my brass have the right head stamps though I never look at them. Each rifle has it's own box of 100 brass that stays with it. As long as they last the .95 each for Wby brass is not that bad.
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