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Unread 03-08-2007, 11:08 PM
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Am I the only one??

In talking to RCBS today about a re-occuring problem I have had over the years, they made it sound like I was the only person who had called them about it in the history of their company. I find that hard to believe.

The problem I'm talking about is the fact that out of the last 30 FL sizing dies I've used, more than 90% of them didn't touch the shoulder. They don't bump them back enough to make brass fit back in the chamber or in other words, the die body is too long. I have had to have Old Bear cut off more than half a dozen in as many months and just returned from his place today with another one that was probably .030" too long! That is ridiculous.

Although they were friendly about the inquery, RCBS said that their dies meet spec and variations of presses may cause FL die issues. But I don't buy that because I have used these dies on as many as four different presses and still no luck.

It boils down to the reality that many of you without headspace gauges might think you're bumping the shoulders back and truly you are not. Then one day (most likely while out hunting) you will go to fit a round in the chamber that used to work and now it won't chamber.

Why can't they get this right? I have seen way fewer problems with Redding but the majority of our clients have previously bought RCBS dies.

Either the gun companies are making shorter chambers, my whole collection of shellholders are too fat, or RCBS has let tolerances go.

I can't possibly be the only guy out there checking this. Anyone else ever run into this or called RCBS about it?
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Unread 03-08-2007, 11:37 PM
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Re: Am I the only one??

Had a 7mm die do the same thing... Went to reload once shot stuff and none of them would chamber... pulled the bullets, dumped the powder and tried empty cases and nada...

Took to Smith and he ground her down, resized and Sha-Zam they worked...
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Unread 03-09-2007, 12:00 AM
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Re: Am I the only one??

GG, You are not alone. It's a little strange to keep setting your FL die lower and watch the case grow longer on the head space guage. The shoulder can extrude forward quite a bit when the dies are too long.

I've had more than a few RCBS dies shortened myself---7mmRHB
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Unread 03-09-2007, 07:50 AM
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Re: Am I the only one??

I've never experienced that problem and I do measure my reloaded ammo with a StoneyPoint headspace gauge. I normally set shoulders back about .001".

Rather than cutting all those dies shorter wouldn't it be easier to use a set of Redding Comp shell holders? Although I doubt that you could get an additional .030" from a shell holder. That die should have gone back to RCBS so they could have seen the extent of the problem that you called them about.
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Unread 03-09-2007, 08:13 AM
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Re: Am I the only one??

I've got one in 300 SAUM from Forster that is to long.
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Unread 03-09-2007, 08:26 AM
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Re: Am I the only one??

I can honestly say I have NEVER, EVER had this problem with RCBS dies.


The reason is... I haven't bought a set of RCBS does in over 25 years.

The phrase, "Within spec", leaves a lot of wiggle room.

The +/- of SAAMI spec chambers is kinda large, and RCBS is making their dies at the long end of the range.

Also consider that ALL shell holders are standardized at 0.125" +/- 0.001".

This allows you to use a Redding shell holder with Lyman dies (why would you want to use Lyman dies [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ), in a C-H or RCBS press. In other words, the nice man at RCBS LIED TO YOU!!

And it is because RCBS is now a shadow of the company they were in years past. Now, most products are outsourced - presses are made in China, dies and other parts are made by job shops around the country... RCBS is a group of offices and a warehouse for shipping. The customer service folks are no longer shooters, and they answer your questions from a printed F.A.Q. sheet.

The RCBS of today is living on the Reputation of a company that died many years ago.

If you want "customer service", get Redding, Foster or CH4D stuff. If you have a problem with your dies from ANY of these companies, you send the dies back, and fired cases, and even if your chamber is BAD, they will make the dies work with it.

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Unread 03-09-2007, 09:18 AM
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Re: Am I the only one??

THAT EXPLAINS WHY 6MM BRASS FIRED IN MY GUN DOESN'T CHAMBER IN MY DAUGHTERS RIFLE. DUH to me. I have had a problem since I got my daughters 6mm; if I fire brass in my R700 it will never chamber well in her R788. Even if I FL resize it. I just figured my chamber was so oversized the brass would't be resized enough. I never thought to look for the obvious.

Regardless of the problem, it will be fixed soon. I'm having both of them reamed to Ackley Improved. Identical chambers and new dies.
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