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Accubond or Swift Scirocco?

 
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:48 AM
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Re: Accubond or Swift Scirocco?

Just be wary of up close (high impact velocity) performance...it has been spotty to say the least. Lots of controversy about terminal performance on deer and elk. I've used them on Deer and Antelope, complete pass through on the antelope, raking shot, right rear flank to left front shoulder, GOOD terminal performance. No pass through on 2 yr old Mule Deer buck, neck shot---penetrated to offside hide, ~10"-12" of muscle and bone-completely pancaked-not great terminal performance. Cartridge was 300RUM, 180gr Swift Scirrocos Factory load. Other people I have spoken with that have had first hand failures include 2 elk, (one cow, one bull)--On the cow, the bullet pancaked so bad that it barely made it to the offside lung on a broadside shot--300 RUM. Bull was with a 7mm, long(ish) shot down a canyon, pancaked against the spine, bull was still alive but paralyzed when they got up to him. I will be using the TSX for this season if I can just get the dang things to shoot. Just FYI for you---would hate for you to have a good hunt go bad.
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:57 AM
 
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Re: Accubond or Swift Scirocco?

#1 what are you hunting for?
#2 why spend the extra $ for the scirrocco when you can find others that do it as good or better....

Ya know I was talking to a good friend this morning....
we had a discussion about bullets...
asside from high B.C. concerns ( for obvious reasons )in LR hunting.

do you realize how many animals were taken with just lead bullets...? even dangerous game...? now we are so caught up in the "answer to the question" we forget how to be accurate...

my real good friend has a way of being so laid back that his perception of reality is a pleasant suprize and more times than not RIGHT!!!
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Old 09-27-2005, 01:07 PM
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Re: Accubond or Swift Scirocco?

Depending on what you plan on hunting, I'm having great luck with the 168 gr TSX Barnes in the 300 WSM. Accuracy is 1/2 inch and terminal performance is great. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 09-27-2005, 01:18 PM
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Re: Accubond or Swift Scirocco?

I´D GO WITH WHATEVER SHOOTS BETTER IN YOUR RIFLE.

HAVING SAID THAT, IT SEEMS ( JUST SEEMS TO ME FROM THE PICTURES AND RECOVERED BULLETS I HAVE SEEN , WHICH ARE NOT ENOUGH TO STABLISH A GENERAL RULE)THAT THE SCIROCCO TENDS TO END UP WITH A BIGGER DIAMETER THAN THE ACCUBOND, IN WHICH THE JACKET SEEMS TO TEND TO PEEL BACKWARDS MORE THAN IN THE SCIROCCO( SEE GOODGROUPERS RECOVERED ACCUBOND FROM ELK).

IN MY RIFLE, THE ACCUBOND SHOOTS BETTER.
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Old 09-27-2005, 01:46 PM
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Re: Accubond or Swift Scirocco?

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do you realize how many animals were taken with just lead bullets...? even dangerous game...? now we are so caught up in the "answer to the question" we forget how to be accurate...



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I couldnt have said it better. I believe that the bullet companies promoted it so well that the hunting industry bought it and now its almost gospal that you cant kill anything without a "premium bonded bullet". [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Old 09-27-2005, 02:50 PM
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Re: Accubond or Swift Scirocco?

I have done a lot of shooting and hunting tests with bullets, including the "new" bonded bullets. Bottom line is that the bondeds will outperform non-bonded in a few situations, are not needed for most situations. They are great at close range and in high performance cartridges which can create high impact velocities. They are un-needed for deer-sized game, at the distances most deer are shot - under two hundred yards. The standard bullets open up much quicker, deliver energy faster and that is what we need on smaller critters like deer. Unless the shot is very close where impact velocity is max, then they will hold together where the standard bullet may fragment or shed core and jacket.

I prefer to classify bullets by % retained weight after they have been recovered from game or from my clay tests. The highest retention bullets at 90%-95%+ are the Swift A-Frame, Trophy Bonded Bear Claws, Barnes X family and WInchester Fail Safe. There are some others in this category from Norma and Lapua and probably the North Fork, have not shot them yet. Next are the 80% bullets, which include the Interbond, CoreLokt Ultra and Scirocco. Next are the 65%+ bullets which include the Nosler Accubond and Partition, Grand Slam, Federal Fussion and occasionally standard bullets if they do not hit big bone or have high impact velocity. Then the +-50% which are the latter bullets from Hornady, Speer, Win., Rem, Fed, etc.etc. I have some +-50% bullets recovered that went 75%, things vary a lot when you play with bullet retained weight.

Where do Matchkings, Competition Supremes and A-MAX fit in - all over the map. I have some close-range fragmentations and some perfect mushrooms from longer shots. We have killed a bunch of deer with match bullets, no reason not to keep doing that.

I would test Interbond, Scirocco and Accubond if you really want to shoot a plastic-tipped, boat-tailed bonded bullet. Interbond might surprise you and they are cheaper and in 100 count boxes. As suggested, let your rifle make the decision.

I shot the accuracy and expansion tests on the original Sciroccos for Lee Reed, shot the earliest production bullets from Nosler and Hornady for one of the very first articles published on bondeds (NRA Am. Hunter), so have some experience with bonded bullets.
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Old 09-27-2005, 02:52 PM
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Re: Accubond or Swift Scirocco?

ditto! i just smacked a whitetail recently in the noggin' to see what a 100gr SMK in .25-06 did on BONE. oh yeah i got the deer,with a softball size exit hole,you get the picture.it worked. but ian and i replied together.his version is better.and i would go for the bonded bullet if i were going for dangerous game.
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