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87 GR Berger VLDS, and H1000

 
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Old 06-09-2011, 05:16 PM
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87 GR Berger VLDS, and H1000

Hi there, I have an older VGX Vangaurd in 243, and I am pretty confident that it has a 1-10 twist.

Due to this I am restricted down to the 87 gr according to Berger, for their hunting VLDs. I got some load data from them, but it didn't have anything for the H1000 powder, and neither does the hogdon reloading site. I was wondering if anyone had worked up a good hunting load for their 243 using the 87 Gr in this powder, or if there is a good reason I should not be using it.
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Old 06-09-2011, 05:25 PM
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Re: 87 GR Berger VLDS, and H1000

That's a little slow for lighter bullets in the 243 (and maybe even the heavier ones). You'll probably want to look at one of the 4350s or faster with the lighter bullets.

Have fun,
Brian
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Old 06-09-2011, 05:28 PM
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Re: 87 GR Berger VLDS, and H1000

IMR 4350 was one of the ones in the load data, if you guys had to pick 4 powders to load up this round with, what would the other three be?
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:26 PM
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Re: 87 GR Berger VLDS, and H1000

H414 (aka Win 760), IMR 4320, RL17 should all get the job done.
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:45 PM
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Re: 87 GR Berger VLDS, and H1000

thanks I think I have most of those so once my bullets get in I can whip up a nice load up for each of those powders and see what this old winchester likes!
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:20 PM
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Re: 87 GR Berger VLDS, and H1000

jmoney, Here is the load data I acquired while testing them;

11/20/10, 12:00PM, 73Deg, Partly cloudy, winds ESE 3-5mph, 48% RH, 30.32 BP
Rifle used for all testing was Winchester M70 SA HVB, .243 Win.
Load: 87gn Berger VLD Hunting (G1 = .412, G7 = .211), RL17 & CCI BR2
222OAL: 2.2435

41.5gn 2 shots (foulers) Velocity: 3185/3234
41.5gn 3249/3216/3238 (3234) ES: 32.81, SD: 16.79 Accuracy: .5625
42.0gn 3284/3278/3268 (3276) ES: 15.96, SD: 08.06 Accuracy: .3625
42.5gn 3304/3262/3309 (3292) ES: 46.39, SD: 25.80 Accuracy: .5745

2:40PM, Cleaned barrel. Shot one 42.5gn for fouler.
42.5gn 3300/3276/3267 (3281) ES: 32.95, SD: 17.05 Accuracy: .3685
43.0gn 3310/3330/3317 (3319) ES: 19.12, SD: 10.14 Accuracy: .4420
43.5gn 3370/3372/3369 (3371) ES: 03.76, SD: 01.41 Accuracy: .8905

1/16/11, Sunny, 61 Deg, 38% RH, 30.04 BP, winds 7mph
IMR4831, BR2 shot for accuracy, did not chrono.

43.5gn - .8210
44.0gn - .7515
44.5gn 1.1050

This powder and primer has been a known good load (.250 OR <) with several makes of
other bullets in this weight range (85-90gn).


1/22/11, 12:08PM, Partly sunny, 40 Deg, 43% RH, winds NNW 10-13mph
H4350/Rem 9.5

44.0gn 3314/3334/3312 (3320) ES: 21.90, SD: 12.16 Accuracy: .5865
44.5gn 3353/3362/3342 (3352) ES: 19.50, SD: 10.00 Accuracy: .5885
45.0gn 3401/3377/3398 (3392) ES: 23.73, SD: 13.07 Accuracy: 1.1465
45.5gn 3418/3423/3414 (3418) ES: 08.69, SD: 04.47 Accuracy: .9455
46.0gn ERR1 due to target/chrono misalignment Accuracy: .6030

2:30PM Cleaned barrel.
RL22/BR2

46.5gn 3294/3327/3389 (3337) ES: 95.04, SD: 48.22 Accuracy: .1550 (best group)
47.0gn 3310/3261/3304 (3292) ES: 48.17, SD: 26.72 Accuracy: .4930
47.5gn 3292/3273/3302 (3289) No ES or SD Accuracy: .5460
48.0gn 3304/3313/3306 (3308) ES: 09.04, SD: 04.69 Accuracy: .6995
48.5gn 3363/3369/3410 (3381) ES: 47.39, SD: 25.57 Accuracy: .7170

1/29/11, 12:00PM, Partly sunny, 62 Deg, 49% RM, winds WSW 5-10mph, 30.14 BP
H4895/BR2

36.0gn 3099/3092/3087 (3093) ES: 12.65, SD: 06.00, Accuracy: .4795
36.5gn 3175/3142/3171 (3163) ES: 32.98, SD: 18.00, Accuracy: .7840
37.0gn 3188/3163/3224 (3191) Chrono acting up , Accuracy: .6905
37.5gn 3234/3261/ERR2 (3248) ES: 27.02, SD: 19.10, Accuracy: .6195
38.0gn ERR2/3266/3296 (3281) ES: 30.24, SD: 21.21, Accuracy: .5150

10 bullets loaded with 42.5gn of RL17/BR2 primers. Of these, established 300yd zero/w 3,
used 2 to shoot 500yd gong for testing wind.
Last 5 shot for group at 500yds. Group measured 2.25 wide,
2 5/8 high.

Quiet lengthy but I enjoyed myself. Hope something here helps. JohnnyK.
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Re: 87 GR Berger VLDS, and H1000

Thanks for that information, I jotted it all down. Hopefully I will get the powders in and this stuff loaded up by next weekend so I can get out there and start playing around with it. I'm interested to see the difference in hunting with VLDs instead of the box ammo I have been using in this 243
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