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7mm Rem Mag waaayyy out there

 
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Old 03-08-2005, 10:09 AM
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7mm Rem Mag waaayyy out there

Hey all this is my first post here. I'll be using some 180 grain VLD Bergers for deer out here in the AZ country, any suggestions for charges/seating depth? Also, any thoughts on my bullet choice? Thanks.
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Old 03-08-2005, 04:51 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag waaayyy out there

squakwacker,
Welcome to LRH.
The bergers are very nice. BC bumping the .7 mark makes for very few clicks way out there. Keep in mind that berger reccomends a 1:9 for this bullet. It shoots well here at 1330ft elevation from a 1:10, but if you are lower, and plan on shooting in the cold, you may have trouble
As to powder, let me say one word:
RETUMBO!!!!
66.8gr of Retumbo, touching the lands made an even 2800 in the 26" rifle I was working with.
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Old 03-08-2005, 08:39 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag waaayyy out there

Haven't tried Bergers yet, or the Retumbo (have a pound but haven't shot it yet). I like 150grn Sierra (gotta stick with the home team) spbt's with IMR 4350 pushing them at 2900fps in my 9.5 twist. Still looking for the perfect load. I've heard the Retumbo is good stuff.
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Old 03-09-2005, 12:01 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag waaayyy out there

I already shot 2 deer with 180 bergers out of a custom 7wsm with 70.0 gr retumbo at 3000 FPS. Don't waste your time, I never seen a bullet perform so badly on game. They come in at .284 and exit maybe a 308. They are great for punching paper at a 1000 yrds, but they don't kill. Shoot the 162 a max or ballistic tip bonded or not for hunting Thanks Reed
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Old 03-09-2005, 12:32 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag waaayyy out there

Reed,
I used the 140 gr Berger VLD in my 6.5-.284 to kill an antelope last fall at 1030 yards, and it worked awesome. At that range, I have found only a match bullet or a polymer tipped bullet provide the frangibility to open reliably.
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Old 03-09-2005, 12:50 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag waaayyy out there

reed mosser, how far away was it? I'm not talking about 400- yards here, I'm talking at least 500 where I hunt, Arizona.
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Old 03-09-2005, 06:02 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag waaayyy out there

I hunted in Az also with a 7 Mag. We rode horses/mules and shot from one mountain ridge to another at times. I used the 140g Nosler Ballistic tip, and NEVER lost a deer or pig. Having said that, I would go with the 140g Nosler Accubond, and any preceived problem would be solved. The load that I shot was as follows:
Rem brass
9 1/2
140g Nosler
64-65g of IMR 4350=3200fps in my Browning A bolt
or
66.5g of H-4350= 3300 in my browning A bolt

Both of these loads shoot less than 1/2" three shot groups.

Many times the deer will just stand there and look at you if they are beyond 400 with a wind that is not blowing to them. If you use a muzzle break, you can actually see your bullet impact, and hold for corrections on follow up shots. We shot some deer way out there, like two hills over using the above method. We actually had the time to get off the mule, screw on a bi pod, lay down on the ground and see if the deer had large enough mass to shoot. The main thing is to use a scope with enough power to where you will be able to see your bullet impacts. Your buddy being used as a spotter, usually does not give a specific enough
descripton of where the bullet hits. Plus, if he is using a 10x binoculars and you are using a 6-20x scope, you may be able to see a bullet impact on a rock, or dirt fly behind a bush that he can not see.
I don't think that you need a big heavy bullet in a 7 Mag for 500 yard shots or even 600 yard shots on DEER. You do need good bullet placement. There is no telling just what is going to happen with the Burger bullets (j-4 jackets) when they hit. The main thing is to go to Rio Salado and practice at 300,400, and 500 meters. Your deer hunting at 500 will be a piece of cake after the practice.

Good luck!
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