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6.5-06 Ackley or the 264 Win Mag

 
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:38 AM
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Re: 6.5-06 Ackley or the 264 Win Mag

I have never had a wildcat round. Man I like the results of the 06AI but I just cant find any reloading info on it or dies to reload them. I did see that ER Shaw sells a 06AI barrel that I can get in a 1/8, I do want to shoot 140's. I wouldnt have to change out the bolt heat, which is a plus. And I am really leaning that way. BUT no one here that I know of shoots either. I did find a sight that listed 06 wildcat dies but you had to know the shoulder angle. I am assuming that a standard AI shoulder is 40 Degrees. Is this correct?

Im getting to crunch time because I am going to order my barrel and trigger stuff this week. **** or get off the pot my dad use to say.....

Im not sure that I am gonna load them real hot. I do want to shoot the 140's tho. That is just such a great bullet for deer and such. Has been fun doing all the research tho
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:00 AM
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Re: 6.5-06 Ackley or the 264 Win Mag

I think you can (carefully) go 1-2 grains above the max data in the nosler book for 6.5-06 if using the 6.5-06 AI. Velocity may be slightly higher but not as much as you might expect. I found slightly less velocity in my 6.5-06 than the nosler book claimed for N560 but didn't verify with any other powders. That was interesting to me because the test barrel was 24" and I have a 26".

You can get the dies from redding.
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:39 AM
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Re: 6.5-06 Ackley or the 264 Win Mag

If you are going to go the 6.5-06AI route, I would recommend sending a pm to forum member elkaholic. He had a reamer made for a variant of the 6.5-06AI that he calls the 6.5 Sherman. He has had pretty spectacular results with that cartridge. If you are going to go to the trouble of doing the AI, you might as well go all the way.

While the 6.5-06 and its variants certainly have a significant efficiency advantage over the .264WM, I don't believe there are any other advantages. I have seen claims that the .264WM isn't as inherently accurate as some of the other 6.5's, but that has not been my experience so far.

From the same rifle, with the same barrel quality, and with the same care in handloading, I don't think there is a detectable difference. I have a 6.5x55 with a Shilen barrel, a 6.5-284 with a Krieger barrel, and a factory Winchester model 70 in .264WM.

The factory Winchester is shooting right with the other two in terms of accuracy (although I haven't shot VLD type bullets in it yet). The only difference from one to the other is speed and a little bit of recoil. All three rifles are shooting 140g bullets into under .5" three shot groups @ 100 yards.

One advantage of the .264WM over the 6.5-06AI route is simplicity. Buy a standard 3-die set and either Winchester or Nosler Custom brass and you are in business. No special dies and no fire forming needed.

As a 6.5 addict, I don't believe you can go wrong with any of the 6.5's. Finding the right one for you is simply a matter of matching your desired performance level and loading characteristics with a given cartridge.
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Old 12-30-2012, 12:32 PM
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Re: 6.5-06 Ackley or the 264 Win Mag

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I have never had a wildcat round. Man I like the results of the 06AI but I just cant find any reloading info on it or dies to reload them. I did see that ER Shaw sells a 06AI barrel that I can get in a 1/8, I do want to shoot 140's. I wouldnt have to change out the bolt heat, which is a plus. And I am really leaning that way. BUT no one here that I know of shoots either. I did find a sight that listed 06 wildcat dies but you had to know the shoulder angle. I am assuming that a standard AI shoulder is 40 Degrees. Is this correct?

Im getting to crunch time because I am going to order my barrel and trigger stuff this week. **** or get off the pot my dad use to say.....

Im not sure that I am gonna load them real hot. I do want to shoot the 140's tho. That is just such a great bullet for deer and such. Has been fun doing all the research tho
most all modern loading manuals have the 6.5-06 in it already, and that's where you start out at. Fire forming cases is easy with that round as all you do is load standard 6.5-06 rounds with a good heavy load.

Actually there are several 6.5-06 improved rounds out there. They have shoulder angle from 28 degrees to 40 degrees and slightly different body tapers. There are several that are simply .257AI cases necked up to .264, and there are even some that use the 06 case shortened slightly. Also don't forget the 6.5/284
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Old 12-30-2012, 02:21 PM
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Re: 6.5-06 Ackley or the 264 Win Mag

Well so far this morning I have changed my mind at least 3 different times! lol..... I was able to find some 06AI dies on Midway by RCBS..... a bit pricey but it all comes out in the wash right? They are on back order until at least May. But that is going to be ok because it will probably take that long to get the barrel. Shilen doesnt make a 6.5-06AI Barrel. I also want to go 28" for what ever cal. I go with. So any recommendations on barrel brand would help too. I do like the simplicity of the 264..... So I guess my mind will change back and forth for at least another 100 times before Wed when I finally order the stuff.

I already have a 6.5-284 it was done on a Remington 700 Long action all blue printed and trued with a 28" Shilen barrel. Its a bit heavy but Im getting 3000 fps from a 140 grain VLD. If I was smart I would just build another one with a lighter barrel and use if for my hunting rifle.... but what is the fun in having 2 of the same when there others that I dont have YET?

I am hooked on the 6.5 family as well.
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:01 PM
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Re: 6.5-06 Ackley or the 264 Win Mag

I just had a 264wm built for my dad, Trued Rem Long action with Lilja #3 9 twist barrel at 27". I love it. Just bedded it in an old wood adl stock and dad shot a .375" 3 shot group at 100 yards with cheap factory Winchester 140 grain soft points. Components are not an issue for the 264wm either.
I will be working a load up with the Barnes 127 LRX bullet, should be able to push them fast.

I do not see the point of going 6.5-06AI, but no offense just my opinion.

I think you would like a 264wm.
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:18 PM
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Re: 6.5-06 Ackley or the 264 Win Mag

RG , I picked up an AI from a 1000 yard Benchrester . It Chronos 3150 FPS with the 140 grain Sierras and has a 30 inch Barrel . Redding has Dies . One other factor which may mean something to you is that you can pick from a huge field of Brass ..... 30-06 Lapua , Norma , IMI or the German Brand I can't think of right now , as well as all sorts of 25-06 Brass too . Hey , half the fun is in the planning ....... then the work starts .
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