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44spl/44mag vs. 45colt/454 casull?

 
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Old 02-22-2014, 05:45 PM
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44spl/44mag vs. 45colt/454 casull?

I'm buying a super redhawk for shooting and hunting. I would like to hear all your opinions on costs for reloading these in general? Ive always wanted a revolver for shooting at the range but also want one for hunting so which one offers the best of both especially for costs of reloading since this will be a fun plinking range gun as well. My hope is obviously to reload and plink with 44special or 45 colt and then hunt with 44 magnum or 454casull. I will be hunting deer and black bear and I know the casull is kind of overkill for this BUT if the 45colt outweighs the 44 special/44mag when it comes to reloading costs and fun of shooting then id opt for it.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:05 PM
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Re: 44spl/44mag vs. 45colt/454 casull?

Will not be much difference between 44 Spl. and 45 Colt in reloads. The 454 will be more than the 44 mag because it uses more powder. You can plink around with 45 Colts but before you do any hunting with the 454 you better spend a LOT OF TIME shooting 454s. It's recoil makes a 44 mag look like a pussy cat. You just need to learn how to shoot a heavy recoiling pistol and it takes a bit of burned powder to learn. I have not found a deer that can stand up to a heavy loaded 45 Colt Ruger load with a good SWC or 250 gr Hornady XTP.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:42 PM
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Re: 44spl/44mag vs. 45colt/454 casull?

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Will not be much difference between 44 Spl. and 45 Colt in reloads. The 454 will be more than the 44 mag because it uses more powder. You can plink around with 45 Colts but before you do any hunting with the 454 you better spend a LOT OF TIME shooting 454s. It's recoil makes a 44 mag look like a pussy cat. You just need to learn how to shoot a heavy recoiling pistol and it takes a bit of burned powder to learn. I have not found a deer that can stand up to a heavy loaded 45 Colt Ruger load with a good SWC or 250 gr Hornady XTP.
I would defy shoot the 454 a lot before I hunted with it. The only reason I was even considering the super redhawk 454 is that I know someone one selling one in almost new condition for 600 which isn't bad where I am. Super redhawk in 44 are really hard to find. So if 45 colt is as cheap as 44spc to reload I was thinking I might go with the 454. Is 45 colt brass and heads s easy to find as special? Is the 454 bone crunching painful? Should I really just wait until I find a super redhawk in 44?
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Old 02-22-2014, 09:58 PM
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Re: 44spl/44mag vs. 45colt/454 casull?

Upon some more thinking about it I would just go with a 44 mag. You can forget using 44 Spl in it. You can load the 44 mag case down to 44 Spl velocities with cast bullets. I have shot tons of 240 gr cast bullets with 7 grs Unique out of a 7 1/2" Black Hawk and Red Hawk. They run between 900 and 950 fps and were really accurate and manageable. Used to shoot 22 grs 2400 with Sierra 240 gr JHC and they would do 1400 fps was accurate and wicked on deer.
I sold both 44s to fund other interest, T/C Contender single shots. I picked up a Ruger black hawk 45 Colt 5 1/2" barrel a few years ago and it serves well as woods carry and deer stopper. 9 grs Unique with a 250 cast SWC will do 900 fps and 20 grs H110 around with Hornady 250 XTP does around 1100 fps. Never killed a deer much over 50 yards with either load but it gets the job done fine. So does a 45 ACP with a 200 gr cast SWC and 7 grs Unique under my 50 yards limitation I try to keep. Usually also use my Contender with 14" 30-30AI pushing a 125 Nosler ballistic tip 2670 fps for beyond 50 out to 200 yards or so for deer.
I have shot a number of 454s but never cared about owning one. To me it has about twice the felt recoil of a same style and weight 44 mag shooting 300 gr bullets. As old Elmer Keith used to say, "you have to learn how to let a heavy recoiling pistol recoil." It is impossible to hold one down and trying to will cause bone crushing feeling. Learning to keep your arms locked and take the recoil in your shoulders and back helps tame felt recoil. The 454 and 44 mag with full house loads are not something that I enjoy shooting 50 or so rounds at a time. The concussion makes my head hurt. You sure don't want to shoot them without good ear protection. I made the mistake of shooting one of my 44 mags out of a shooting house without my ear plugs once. Will not do that again.
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Old 02-22-2014, 09:59 PM
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Re: 44spl/44mag vs. 45colt/454 casull?

To answer your question, Yes the 454 Casull will produce pain!
The reason the person is selling the Ruger Redhawk in 454 is probably either it recoils too much or the ammo is too expensive.

I bought a Ruger Redhawk in 454 Casull a number of years ago, and my first experience with it and factory ammo left an impression on me. The Winchester 260 grain load produced a velocity of 1800 ft/sec over the chronograph that I was using. If you don't think that you can feel that recoil you only have to shoot it a few times. I later loaded it down with a cast bullet at 1500 ft/sec and even though it still recoils it is not too painful. I have a scope on the gun and that helps tame it a little.

What you can do is buy the 454 and shoot 45 Colt ammo in it. Most factory 45 Colt ammo is very tame, so you can shoot as much as you wish. If you want more power just use 454 Casull ammo.

Another option for you is a Ruger Blackhawk or Vaquero in 45 Colt. I have a 45 Vaquero and I load it with 255 grain bullets and is pleasant to shoot. Because it is one of the strong Rugers I can load it up close to the a 44 Mag..
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:34 PM
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Re: 44spl/44mag vs. 45colt/454 casull?

The 44 ammo is cheaper and more available and the 44 will kill those animals you mentioned just fine. I have a Super Redhawk in 44 mag with a 2X Leupold scope. It also has laser grips but those are to aid in home defense and not hunting.

For deer hunting here is a great trick. I load the Hornady 265 grain FTX that is intended for the 444 Marlin and such but... with the length of the cylinder in the Redhawk I can load it with adequate clearance with normal case prep and crimp. The BC at 0.225 is way better than anything else you might pick since it has the pointed plastic tip. I'm not talking the 225 grain FTX which Hornady lists under the 44 Mag as it has a BC of only 0.150. With 21.8 grains of W296 behind the 265 grainer I'm getting 1,397 fps and 1,148 ft lbs at the muzzle.
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Old 02-23-2014, 06:41 AM
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Re: 44spl/44mag vs. 45colt/454 casull?

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To answer your question, Yes the 454 Casull will produce pain!
The reason the person is selling the Ruger Redhawk in 454 is probably either it recoils too much or the ammo is too expensive.

I bought a Ruger Redhawk in 454 Casull a number of years ago, and my first experience with it and factory ammo left an impression on me. The Winchester 260 grain load produced a velocity of 1800 ft/sec over the chronograph that I was using. If you don't think that you can feel that recoil you only have to shoot it a few times. I later loaded it down with a cast bullet at 1500 ft/sec and even though it still recoils it is not too painful. I have a scope on the gun and that helps tame it a little.

What you can do is buy the 454 and shoot 45 Colt ammo in it. Most factory 45 Colt ammo is very tame, so you can shoot as much as you wish. If you want more power just use 454 Casull ammo.

Another option for you is a Ruger Blackhawk or Vaquero in 45 Colt. I have a 45 Vaquero and I load it with 255 grain bullets and is pleasant to shoot. Because it is one of the strong Rugers I can load it up close to the a 44 Mag..
pretty much the only reason I was Contemplating the 454 was because it is in mint condition... less than 30 rounds shot and he only wants 600 for it. New super redhawks go for about 950 new around here so that was a good deal. I was thinking maybe I could simply play with 45colt for fun and then load my own 454s on a milder side for deer hunting but it sounds like I should wait for a 44mag to come around...

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