when moose is on the list, i'd give the edge to the barnes. they are simply the best bone bustin, penetrating bullet out there. i just tested a couple of the tipped 3shocks this evening. shot a 168 ttxs into my standard setup, at least it's been the standard for the last couple of weeks. i put a piece of plywoosd, milkjug, plywood, then several milk jugs behind. at 2917fps, it went through the first 5 and was in the 6st jug. it looked as good as any picture you ever saw of them. perfect mushroom with 4 sharp pedals bent completely around. the interesting part to me was that the 2 x 6 board they were sitting on, and the first piece of plywood were bulged out away from the hydrostatic shock that occures when the bullet passes through. i used these same boards last week when i tested the al tipped and sierra bullets. even though they come apart very quickly, nothing ever happened to the boards they were sitting on or the board in front. this would be at least 6 impacts on each board. it's a testament to the fact that a flat front on a bullet, even though it isn't as big diameter wise, will creat a larger wound channel than a typical rounded front bullet. it simply makes more hydrostatic shock. it's the main reason they kill so well.