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Old 09-23-2006, 08:19 PM
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338 cartridges

I'm new to the forum and very interested in building a 338 beyond the factory cases currently available. Would someone kindly take the time and explain the cases and parent cases behind the 338 kahn, 338 edge, 338 wolf, 338 cheytac, and 338 KA? Many posts refer to these cartridges but I can find find little information on their design and background. Thanks.
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Old 09-23-2006, 10:09 PM
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Re: 338 cartridges

RP, I will take a stab at the cartridges you are trying to learn about;

1. 338 Khan-The parent case is a 378 Weatherby Mag Case that is improved. Kirby Allen is the designer of this case.

2. 338 Edge-The parent case is a 300 RUM necked up to 338. Shawn Carlock is the designer of this case.

3. 338 Wolf-? Sorry, I don't know anything about this case.

4. 338 Chey Tac-The parent case is a 408 Chey Tac (Awesome cartridge). I am having one like this built, it's called the 338 Allen Mag. The 338 Allen Mag uses the 408 Chey Tac for the parent case, however, the case is improved. The 338 Allen Mag will push a 300 Sierra Match King at around 3400 to 3500fps. This cartridge is yielding better performance than the 50 cal. If you want more info on the 338 Allen Mag, e-mail Kirby Allen or you can search under 338 Allen Mag. Kirby will answer everything you will want to know about this cartridge.

4. 338 KA-? Sorry, I don't know anything about this case.

I believe I am correct on the information I provided. If anyone else believes there are descrepencies, please, correct them.

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Old 09-23-2006, 10:21 PM
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Re: 338 cartridges

rp,
I will take a stab at this, 338Kahn (338 kubla kahn,338 shaka kahn) are based off an improved 338 Weatherby with the shoulder ironed out. the 338 edge was designed by shawn carlock and is a 300 Ultra necked up to 338. the 338Cheytac is a necked down 408 chey tac IMP, more commonly known here as a 338 Allen Mag or a 338 Snipe-Tac.
There are others as well, the 338 Thunder ,a 338 Ultra IMP, or my favorite the 338MOAG (338Lapua IMP)
hope this helps and good luck.
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Old 09-24-2006, 04:35 AM
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Re: 338 cartridges

[Quote] by Widcat
4. 338 Chey Tac-The parent case is a 408 Chey Tac (Awesome cartridge). I am having one like this built, it's called the 338 Allen Mag. The 338 Allen Mag uses the 408 Chey Tac for the parent case, however, the case is improved. The 338 Allen Mag will push a 300 Sierra Match King at around 3400 to 3500fps. This cartridge is yielding better performance than the 50 cal. If you want more info on the 338 Allen Mag, e-mail Kirby Allen or you can search under 338 Allen Mag. Kirby will answer everything you will want to know about this cartridge. [Quote]

If memory serves correctly the 408 Chey Tac is based off of the 505 Gibbs case...............
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Old 09-24-2006, 09:16 AM
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Re: 338 cartridges

RP,

Just to make sure everyone knows, the 338 Kubla Kahn or Kahn for short was designed by Kenny Jarrett, not by me. I have just built alot of rifles in this chambering and have posted alot about them on LRH.

The 338 Kahn is simply a 338-378 Wby that has a conventional 35 degree shoulder instead of the double radiused Wby shoulder. The shoulder is positioned slightly forward to allow factory cases to be fired in the Kahn chamber for fireforming. My favorite load for my 34" barreled rifle drives the 300 gr SMK to 2950 fps. My customers have gotten this same velocity in 30" barrels comfortably so I am obviously not running my pressures very hard!!

The 338 Edge is Shawn Carlocks baby and may be the most practical 338 out there in the mid to upper performance level. It is basically a 300 RUM necked up to 338. Very efficent and consistant and easy to load for.

I am not intimate with the Wolf so I will not talk on that one.

The 338 Chey Tac is bascially the 408 CT necked down to 338. Hell of a round, VERY high performance. There are three wildcats similiar to this all using the same 408 CT parent case. These three are designed with different stages of improving the 338 Chey Tac. The 338 Big Baer designed by Bruce Baer is probably the closest to the 338 CT.

Then there is the 338 Sniper Tac, a bit more capacity with less body taper and slightly sharper shoulder I believe.

Then my 338 Allen Mag which is improved about as much as possible and the shoulder has been pushed forward for max case capacity. THey are all extremely similiar and very high performance compared to any other 338 out there.

YOu can expect 3300-3500 fps with the 300 gr SMK with these three rounds depending on what barrel length you use.

In my opinion, these three are the largest 338 wildcats that are still practical for field use.

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Old 09-24-2006, 09:56 AM
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Re: 338 cartridges

I just ran a quick trajectory/energy on the 338 Allen Mag and WOW!.

If sighted dead on at 100 the drop at 1,000 is only 15.5 min.

The energy is amazing, >7700 ft.lbs at the muzzle and >3800 at 1000.

Just for kicks (no pun intended) what is the typical recoil on this round. I love the power but like my fillings too.
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Old 09-24-2006, 04:27 PM
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Re: 338 cartridges

Supermag, If the 338 Allen Mag is braked, I have heard the recoil is similar to a 300 Win Mag. Kirby, is currently building my 338 AM, as soon as I get her I will let everyone know how she feels. My 338 AM will be braked with one of Kirby's brakes.

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