Originally Posted by 4xforfun
What experience I do have with the 308 is sitting in the 1000 yard pits all summer and listning to a friends 308 with 168's go subsonic at about 850 to 900 yards and go through the target sidways...IF he even hit the target. We tryed to tell him to switch to a heavier bullet, but he refused...till the last couple of matches. He switcued to the 210 vld and the little 308 turned into a nice little 1000 yard match gun.
I under stand what you are saying about the 190s and 200s But they also go subsonic before they reach 1000 yards (About 800 yards) At 308 velocities the loads I used were good to over1100 yards
Because of there starting velocity of over 2800+ ft/sec. It is tough to get 2600 ft/sec from a max load for the 190.
The reference I was making was the minimum bullet velocity for any bullet will be 1800+ ft/sec
for controlled expansion on game. that was the reason for recommending the 165 class of bullet
If your friend is going to keep his range down to 4 or 500 yards, it makes no difference what bullet he uses.
The problem with the 308 has always been case capacity when using heavy bullets. When the matches allowed, At more than 600 yards I shot a 30/338 with 190 grain bullets because of the better ballistics and a 300 ft/sec velocity gain. In fact most reloading manuals don't /wont show anything larger than a 190 grain load because it is not practical for the 308s powder capacity.
In the original post I understood you to say "For Long Range Deer Hunting" and that is why I made the recommendation, Not to start an argument or question you knowledge .
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