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30-06 load make up help

 
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:00 PM
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Re: 30-06 load make up help

If you are likely to be presented with a shot ranging beyond 400 yds, I would recommend lots of slow burning powder, under a well constructed 165 gr bullet. Getting a 700 action to accurately push a 165 gr. pill 3000 fps shouldn't be a difficult task. I used a 700 ADL, bedded the action, floated the barrel, and it would shoot sub moa all day long with Z rings, and a Leupold 3x9.

Best of luck, and don't forget to share the pics with us!

MB
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:31 PM
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Re: 30-06 load make up help

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If you are likely to be presented with a shot ranging beyond 400 yds, I would recommend lots of slow burning powder, under a well constructed 165 gr bullet. Getting a 700 action to accurately push a 165 gr. pill 3000 fps shouldn't be a difficult task. I used a 700 ADL, bedded the action, floated the barrel, and it would shoot sub moa all day long with Z rings, and a Leupold 3x9.

Best of luck, and don't forget to share the pics with us!

MB
depends on the rifle... my old righty m70 '06 was 2900 fps+ with a 165 with no trouble, but my remmy '06 wanted to go 2600-2700 fps with a 165; however it did 2600 fps with a 200 no trouble. Go figure. I actually like a 180 with a compressed charge of rl22 in an '06; it'll usually break 2800 fps. That's creeping on what a 300win'll do in factory for 180's.
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Old 04-09-2014, 12:59 AM
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Re: 30-06 load make up help

As Lefty7mmstw said, it does depend on the rifle, every barrel has it's own ballistic personality, and more so with a standard production rig. Where as a good builder can just about nail your preference, from an accurate barrel burner, to a 1000 yd. competition rig. Sorry for drifting off topic there.

But as for powders, I started with IMR-4350 when I began loading high powered rifle 30 some years ago, and granted I achieved some excellent results with large worked up compressed charges IMR4350, I also managed to get kind of tunnel visioned for a good 10 yrs.. In fact it a few years after I had been I started loading for the 7mm RM, I finally decided to give RL22 a try, as I just wasn't getting the velocity out of 4350 I had come to expect from the 7 mag.. That was an eye opening experience, and lead to me sampling different powders that fall into my slow burner mentality. RL22 is probably my absolute favorite powder for most of the cartridges I load. With some exceptions regarding .270 win, in which I like RL19, however RL22 meets most of my needs with exceptional predictability regardring pressure, as well as velocity projections.

As for pushing 165's to 3K fps, I insist that, if your barrel hasn't been shot out, or didn't get slightly over bored when manufactured, that if you run a powder like like IMR-4350, you can get awfully near, if not reach 30000 fps, and do it quite accurately if the barrel will shoot well. As a new member I ask that you please excuse my forward approach to this, but I have an exceptional amount of experience working with this cartridge and many different actions, including an M98, Douglas, 3 stage jewel, pillar bedded Carlson stock. You might say I have a special place in my heart for the often under rated 30-06. Now I know the 06 isn't a 7 mag, but it can definitely produce exceptional performance plenty capable of taking a bull elk with confidence with the right approach, regarding reloading.

So with that said, I would specifically go buy some 165 gr. Hot Cores, if you can't find those, grab the Deep Curl, they are a superior bullet for the intended ballistic and hunting purpose here. Of all the powders I've now worked extensively with, iMR-4350 still remains the one I can push hard enough to get exceptional velocity and accuracy from. Superformance is also a good one, but it's difficult to find when I need it, so I don't use it often.

The Following includes load data that is either at maximum published data, or may suggest doing so. Never attempt to load a cartridge at a maximum charge without having followed proper load development procedure working up from minimum.


My top performing load from a bare bone 700 ADL, floated barrel, was something I had very similar results with in multiple other rifles, Savage's, Ruger's, other Remingtons, and a couple custom rigs, as follows:

165 gr. Speer Hot Core
I seat .010" off the lands, which has been an accurate oal in most of them. I have found the Hot Core to have very consistent olgives, so I don't think your going to have a problem with some touching the lands, while others may be significantly more than .010" off the lands. Also make sure the throat at least is very clean so you can get a good olgive to lands measurement.

Brass- It's essential to use matched head stamps, I like RP and Win. but have nto had a negative experience with Fed either. Trim them all to the same lengths, and if possible try to sort them by weight. Sorting by weight isn't absolutely necessary, but those with a big + variance can produce much higher pressures when working at max charge. Also, use fire formed brass from your chamber and if don't have a neck die, only size the body, don't adjust the FL die all the way down to the shell holder, just enough to size the neck, if possible.

Primer- I have used CCI-200's and 250's, but I prefer the 250's for lighting up large compressed charges in this application. I'm sure there are other acceptable primers, but my second choice would definitely be Win. they are good. Federal's are known to be softer, so I don't use them, as I had problems with them failing with high end pressures, and we are talking about working on the extreme upper end of the load tables. Make sure you seat the primers with good positive contact with the bottom of the pocket, this is to further prevent any gas leaks.

Powder- IMR-4350- Charge I have worked up to can't be published here. What I can say is since we are seating only .010" off the lands, start just below mid table and continue working up in reasonable increments until you have reached the visible sign of maximum. When you begin to feel unusual resistance when lifting the bolt, you have reached maximum. But don't forget to glance at the primers anyway, cause blowing primers can also be an indication of excessive pressures, if you blow more than just one or two from the same loads.

I sincerely hope this helps you harvest a good bull. I am currently getting ready to engage in a spring turkey hunting fest with one of my adult sons. I promised him a turkey hunt of a life time when he returned from Afghanistan in 2008, but he has been busy, but we finally reached our goal. But I do know the 06 well, and I know if developed properly, it can function as a very effective long range cartridge, and with the potential of slightly better than average results.

Now get to developing, but that;s the fun part anyway.

MB
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Old 04-09-2014, 10:24 AM
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Re: 30-06 load make up help

I have found that imr4350 and the 3006 seem to be made for each other
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:39 PM
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Re: 30-06 load make up help

I just got done building a .30-06 Ackley Improved on a 700 action, using a 26" Rem Varmint 1:12 twist barrel. I was hoping I would luck-up and it be a 10 twist, but that would be too lucky for me. Anywho, I'm shooting the Berger 185 VLD's with IMR 7828 SSC and Federal 210 primers. I haven't gotten my load perfected yet, but I did shoot a quick ladder test looking for pressure signs, and so far up to 62gr I haven't seen any pressure signs other than very slightly flattened primers. So, I'm hoping it will settle around 61-61.5gr on the accuracy node, and then I'll chrono it and let you know my speeds.

Warning, for a regular 30-06, don't even think about approaching anywhere near 62gr of 7828 SSC...Even for the AI version that's about a 103% load. If you are planning on working up a max load for your rifle, buy a reloading manual for your specific bullets, and go by it. Don't always believe or heed what you read on the interweb. Every gun is different. Work up your own load in .5 gr incriments, then fine-tune it in .1 gr incriments once you find a velocity node your rifle likes. Which won't always be the fastest load in the book, but if you get inconsistencies at high speed, all that means is that you have the potential to miss faster.

I might take it whitetail hunting with me this year to see if I can knock a few down. I know I'm gonna knock a few does back with my .25-06 Ackley Improved just for the heck of it at the beginning of the season, then start hunting for horns.
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Old 04-09-2014, 09:17 PM
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Re: 30-06 load make up help

This may be a little bit too far but I've recently been playing with the 230 Berger OTM tactical in my .30/06. I use that bullet with great effect from my 30/338 Win mag and always wondered how it would run in the smaller case of the .30/06. I started at 54.0g H4831sc and settled in on a nice accuracy node at 56.5g that yielded 2,454fps with a ten shot string ES of 21fps. I found a slight stick in the bolt lift at 57.0g (YMMV!!!)
The .719G1 BC of that bullet makes it very attractive, even at the velocities the smaller case of the .30/06 can muster safely. It retains velocity and energy very well and I've personally seen that bullet function well down to 1850fps on whitetail deer (DRT) with a high shoulder shot placement.
The .30/06 is no slouch (never has been) and with a 10 twist can handle the bigger 30 cal bullets with great results. Granted it's not a 300 win mag, so you won't likely break 2,500fps safely, but accuracy trumps velocity every time. Have fun, be safe. YMMV and we all like pictures...
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Old 04-10-2014, 03:29 PM
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Re: 30-06 load make up help

i would Love to try a factory load from federal P30-06TT4. Even though i am a handloader ( one year while competing a Lot I loaded and fired over 2000 30-06 rounds. ) It would be ideal for hunting bull elk. Unfortunately i have not been able to find a box to try.
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