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284 Win. and RL 17

 
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:45 AM
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Re: 284 Win. and RL 17

Be very careful when you use some of the listed loads for r17 you find on the net, my 284 is at the very maximum load at 52 grains with a 150 grn nosler bullet, 53.5 will blow a primer everytime. I have seen loads posted MUCH more than that with a 180 berger and in my rifle that would put the bolt right through your forehead.
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Old 03-17-2012, 01:57 PM
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Re: 284 Win. and RL 17

Unless you have a very long barrel, I don't see you getting 3000 FPS with the 180s. RL17 is a very high velocity powder for sure but it is not that fast.

I have run 168 grain bullets in the 308 at 2950 in a 26" barrel with RL17. Pressure signs were also starting to show up. Now I realize the 284 case has more volume than the 308 but does not mean equal bullet weight will go faster in the 284 case. Equal bullet weight and equal barrel length, they have about the same velocity potential. All else being equal, larger bores have higher velocity capabilities. The added volume of the 284 gets offset by the bore diameter. If you look at the Hodgdon's reloading center you will find the for the 168 grain bullets in equal barrel lengths, the 284's top load (2830 FPS) is only 2 FPS faster than the 308's top load of 2828 FPS. Once you get to the 175 grain bullets the 308 is actually 30 FPS faster than the 284's top load. You could probably get close to 3000 FPS with the 168 but not the 180s. Not trying to say the 308 is better, just using this to show a more apples to apples comparison for my real world experience with RL17. If 2950 FPS was getting too hot for my 168/308 load, 3000 FPS for a 168/284 load is probably going to be too hot. The 180's are going to be on fire.

There was a guy at 6mmbr that was getting 3000 out of this combo but he was usuing a 31-1/2" barrel to do it. He also was using a '5C' barrel which some claim to generate less friction. Also, many target shooters over there run very hot loads at that. A normal hutning rifle is not going to safely push the 180's to 3000 FPS.
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Old 03-17-2012, 03:02 PM
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Re: 284 Win. and RL 17

Here something from 6br site on 284 and 180gr bullets


Record-Setting .284 Win F-Classer
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Old 03-17-2012, 05:21 PM
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Re: 284 Win. and RL 17

Thanks for the reference. It is exciting to see some of this info on the poor old 284.
I have had my 284 since 1970 when I built it on a Herter's BSA action and one of the Herter's roll over cheekpiece. I glass bedded the action. at the time I had not heard of pillar bedding. It has always been my favorite rifle. Maybe because of the time and effort I took in making it up.
However, at the time I was happy with factory ammo giving me 1-2" moa. Shooting all of my game within about 300 yds. Then I took up archery and mainly bow hunted for over 30 years. There I tried to get shots of 30 yds or so. A long way from Longrange Hunting territory. Then a couple of years ago I took a fall and severly broke my right leg. I now have a couple of plates and a whole bunch of pins. Anyway, I thought that as I am now almost 70 years of age that climbing trees and putting up a half dozen tree stands a year was probably not that awful smart.
So now I have made a new interest in rifle hunting and in particular longe range hunting. With that I also could see that it would probably be benificial to lower that moa number with hand loads.
Anyway that is where I am at and it does my heart good to see the renewed interest in what I have always thought was a fantastic caliber.
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Old 03-17-2012, 06:08 PM
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Re: 284 Win. and RL 17

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Thanks for the reference. It is exciting to see some of this info on the poor old 284.
I have had my 284 since 1970 when I built it on a Herter's BSA action and one of the Herter's roll over cheekpiece. I glass bedded the action. at the time I had not heard of pillar bedding. It has always been my favorite rifle. Maybe because of the time and effort I took in making it up.
However, at the time I was happy with factory ammo giving me 1-2" moa. Shooting all of my game within about 300 yds. Then I took up archery and mainly bow hunted for over 30 years. There I tried to get shots of 30 yds or so. A long way from Longrange Hunting territory. Then a couple of years ago I took a fall and severly broke my right leg. I now have a couple of plates and a whole bunch of pins. Anyway, I thought that as I am now almost 70 years of age that climbing trees and putting up a half dozen tree stands a year was probably not that awful smart.
So now I have made a new interest in rifle hunting and in particular longe range hunting. With that I also could see that it would probably be benificial to lower that moa number with hand loads.
Anyway that is where I am at and it does my heart good to see the renewed interest in what I have always thought was a fantastic caliber.
Small world, I was born Oakland,Ca 70yrs ago. My first custom was build 1968 by gunsmith/worked for telephone co also from Redding by the name of Levi Jones he lived out east by the college at the time and he passed away last Dec.

I hunted with Levi and his pack of dogs and he's the one that got me interested in LR before it was fashionable. I think of him every time I get up around timberline here. Well good luck
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Old 03-17-2012, 07:07 PM
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Re: 284 Win. and RL 17

I'm afraid I didn't know Levi. I do know a couple of Jones' in Redding. Patrick and Marshall they own a gun shop called Jones' Fort. I don't know if they are related. There are a lot of Jones's around.
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