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Old 06-22-2008, 01:41 PM
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thanks guys for all the feedback
but , I have lowered the die till it touched the shell holder, and then lowered it , an 1/8 a turn, then another, and then another, till it got to the point, of being very hard to turn over the press a full run, Big time cam over, and still the cases will not allow me to close the bolt!
the load was 2 grains from the max, and the bolt opened freely after fireing these loaded rounds!
all cases are at1.902 lenth,and even tried going down to 1.750 just to see if i could get one to allow me to close the bolt, and no go!, I colored a case to try to see where it wass causing the problem, and only place i get a mark is on the rim of the case where the bolt grabs it, at this point it is removing brass from where it says 22.205 rem on the case, as if it is just too thick here!!, cleaned the bolt fase/area, to make sure nothing is there, will allow me to close on factory ammo, and cases that i sized,but did not fire with the wrong primmers. so i am believing that the primers are /were the problem, I am now wondering if there is any way for me to save this brass, about 50 cases!, or should i just call it a learning curve and toss them!
OR am i missing something! as as far as I can tell, primer pockets are cleaned and de-bured( with a rcbs primer pocket former, and de-burer, I set my die so it contacts the shell holder, then lowered it an 1/8 of a turn, then I measured and trimed all cases as needed to 1.902, de burd inside and out of the mouth of the case, primer depth is flush to slightly lower than flush, but these cases will not allow me to close the bolt!
am i missing something??
I am not an advid reloader , YET, but wanting to learn as much as possible, I have loaded for several 30 an 338 cal rifles, all with rcbs dies, with no problems, these 22.250 dies are Hornady, am I doing something wrong, and if so, what, and how to fix?
thanks again
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Old 06-22-2008, 01:45 PM
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never used a headspace bushing, how do they work?
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:19 PM
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let's start over...

Do you have any brass that wasn't from this batch, maybe from a previous batch? How does is chamber? It almost sounds like you might have some sort of debris in the chamber, perhaps unburned powder granules or a chunk of bullet jacket. Have you cleaned the rifle and inspected the chamber? Simply using a magnum primer in place of a std primer shouldn't cause you this kind of grief. Better yet, how does once of your unfired rounds from the same batch chamber (be careful)?
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:27 PM
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That load calls for a magnum primer in all my books and with my 22-250 I have been as high as 42 grains behind a 50 grain bullet. I only use magnum primers in every gun I have and have never had an issue with them. I really doubt the use of the magnum primer has anything to do with what is going on here.

Will the brass set into the bolt behind the extractor when the bolt is out of the action? When you place your brass into the gun are you feeding it from the magazine or just tossing them in there where the extractor has to jump the lip. All my repeating rifles are much harder to close up when the extractor is jumping the rim rather than feeding from the magazine. It could be something up with your extractor. brass shavings could be fouling something and not letting it have full travel.

If they extracted easy they should go right back into the chamber easy. Have you tried just doing a partial full length resize. Run the die down to the shell holder then back it up 3/4 to 1 full turn. I never bump shoulders and never have trouble. I only use Lee Collet neck dies for all my rifle loading. I do feel a little resistance on the bolt after a few firings but I know that I have a perfectly fitted case for my rifle. Keep your lugs clean and well greased and it will never be a problem. It almost sounds like the brass is being expanded by pushing the shoulders back too far when you are resizing. Try the partial full length size and let us know.
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Old 06-22-2008, 09:39 PM
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thanks again for the reply, and as for there being something stuck in the chamber area, the rifle is clean, and chamber is clean, it will close on factory ammo, and never fired brass,
next, I have tried loading by just inserting, and from the mag well, no difference
if I install a case into the bolt face, with the bolt out, it will seem to fit same as all the cases I have, can see no difference there, it hold them!
I have tried both raising the die, and lowering it up/ down up to almost a full turn, and still no go with the cases I fired with the mag primers!, I don't have any just fired cases with the right primmers, but will after tomorrow!
I will see how they fit in the gun after fireing, and then after I try to resize them with my die, set at 1/4 turn after contact with the shell holder, as that is how I am told it should be!, am I right on this set up of the die?
if they fit from there, I will have to say that it was the primers that were the problem, but if they don't, is it possible I got a bad die??,
or could it be something else??
I will follow up tomorrow after I try the above!
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Old 06-22-2008, 11:57 PM
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I did this same exact thing and had the same problems.. I thought I had everything in my reloading dies set up properly.. Finally I was at a total loss so I started from scratch. I went back and "Re- setup my sizing die then my crimping die" I then ran a couple rounds through and what do ya know.. I had somehow let the crimping die get set a little too deep. this caused a very very very slight hump in the shoulder. (I had calipered the cases prior and could not find the hump all measurements matched factory specs) This caused my bolt to not want to close. Being an old farmer at heart I forced the bolt closed and then decided I better fix the problem... After fixing the sizing die ever so slightly I am now back to putting good rounds down range and my bolt closes smoothly. MRBB I also only shoot mag primers in my 22-250 and I shoot really hot loads. I dont think since your bolt opened easily that you had enough of an overpressure to damage anything. I hope you figure it out though.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:29 AM
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Do you have any of these cases left that have not been resized or decaped since they were fired? Will they rechamber?

BTW:
H380 is the most accurate powder I have ever used in the 22-250 with 50 grain bullets. Whenever someone says they have one that won't shoot I just throw a few together with 38 grains of H-380 with CCI-250 magnum primers topped with my el cheapo Hornady 50 grain SPSX's loaded either 1/4 turn down "about .015" from the rifling or in the case of my 6000+ round Ruger 77V where they will still feed out of the magazine box. In 20 years I have only found 1 rifle that wouldn't shoot 1/2" groups or better with that load. In the winter I have ran as much as 43 grains successfully. My regular summer load is 39 grains with the batch of powder I have right now. One other thing I like about H-380 is how accuratly it flows out of my UniFlo powder measure. Once it's set I pretty much put my scale away and just throw 50 to 100 at a time straight into my cases.

A Lee Collet neck die quadrupled my case life. Between using the no lube Lee die and being able to throw the charges the 22-250 is my favorite to load for.
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