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Old 10-18-2005, 09:43 AM
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Re: Your thoughts on gun pick - deer & feral pig

Thanks for the excellent advice. My inclination starting on this question was one of the 7mm's, but was considering the .300 WM or WSM given the distance issue and the larger hogs being a tougher target than deer.

If I go with a gun in .300 mag that ends up in the 12 - 15# range with a muzzle brake, how will that compare in recoil to regular field weight 7mm RM? Am I correct in thinking that a 12 - 15# total weight gun in one of the 7mm's with a muzzlebrake will not be dramatically different from what I am currently shooting (which I find to be very comfortable to shoot and practice with)?

Mike, thanks also for the advice on the scope as I definitely needed that advice too.
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Old 10-18-2005, 10:31 AM
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Re: Your thoughts on gun pick - deer & feral pig

With a good muzzlebreak and 12-15# 300WM will probobly rock your world the same as a 243.

I have been shooting my Sako 300 WM since I was 12 if that tells you anything about its recoil. It weighs about 11#, no muzzlebreak, and an old school Pachmeyer Pre-Decelerator pad. Only with heavy doses of powder AND bullet does the recoil get exciting.

As far as loads for pigs and deer, my new personal favorite is 78 gr IMR 4831 under a 165 gr Hornady IB at a smidge over 3200 fps. I have not taken game with it yet, but it sure does shoot like a dream. My old loads were 77 gr of IMR 4831 with a 150 gr NP. The book said its MV was 3400 fps . . . its not even close to that in my rifle (3175 fps) but it will cut the same hole with 5 shot groups at 100 yards. That particular load actually kicks less than my 270. The 165s are on par with 180 gr 30-06 factory loads imo. Shooting 180-190 SMK with my 300WM, recoil exceeds any 30-06 load, but is still quite manageable due to the bulk of the rifle. It is not uncomfortable to sit a the bench and shoot it 20 to 30 times in a single setting. This is the heaviest bullets I have shot. RL 22 78.2 gr and 76.5 gr were the two nodes I found in my rifle with the 180 SMK I tried. Both shot into about 1/2" at 100 yards with 3 shot groups.

Hope this helps! Its a great caliber to shoot!

btw the 7RM will recoil less than a 300WM with loads of the same bullet weight.
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Old 10-18-2005, 03:02 PM
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Re: Your thoughts on gun pick - deer & feral pig

Also Jeffbird,
You can look at some of the shooting supplier's--cabelas--midsouth--natchez--for the bipods-shooting sticks<sitting/standing.
I personally use a harris bipod and shooting sticks,the bipod is more of a gun stand than anything else.Shooting from a laying position is of coarse the steadiest,but you know that isn't always possible in the field.
i don't see much of a selection in a heavy type gun to choose from.A custom or semi-custom would surely get you off on the right foot.As you stated about the shotguns -it took a couple of times to get it right-my new vote >>custom 300 wsm [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].Best of luck-- Mike
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Old 10-18-2005, 03:41 PM
 
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Re: Your thoughts on gun pick - deer & feral pig

I have a 7mmWSM that out performs danr near any 300WM...even the one i own!

given your self imposed limit.. the 7wsm and the 140,150,160 class bullets will do the job quite well.

At the ranges you indicate.. the 7mmWSM is like a lazer and really no need for clicks.

the 160 gr accubond will devistate the hogs and the 162 a-max .. well lets just say nighty-night for the deer.
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Old 10-18-2005, 04:39 PM
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Re: Your thoughts on gun pick - deer & feral pig

Hello Ric,
Nice to have your thoughts as I read some of your recent posts and results after d-a pointed them out, and gave the suggestion of the 7mm WSM. Very impressive. My goal is to extend my range out significantly beyond my current self-imposed limit. I would like to be able to go out comfortably to the 500 - 600 yard range. (After some serious practice of course.) You think the 7mm WSM can handle the larger feral pigs out to say 500 - 600 with the 160 gr? It definitely looks like a custom is the route I am going, particularly if I go with the 7mm WSM. Sounds like you are a very satisfied customer. Anything you would suggest changing on your 7mm if I ordered a copy? Also, are you using factory rounds and/or handloads? Would be interested in what you've worked out for drop and windage as the info seems sparse for this round at this point.
Thanks to all, for the many helpful comments. It has been very helpful.
Jeff
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Old 10-18-2005, 05:03 PM
 
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Re: Your thoughts on gun pick - deer & feral pig

Satisfied .. yeah you could say that! I am a 30 cal fan but I have to tell ya this 7mmWSM is the cats ass!!!

I would suggest the 160 AB or the 175 smk for the big hogs and you can use the 175 SMK's on deer... so in short the 175SMK is the ticket.
I use all handloads and have .5 MOA accuracy to 1100 yards with this 7wsm.

the 175 SMK and a healthy load od 4831SC gets me 2830 fps. With no pressure signs.

it roughly works out to this in the drop chart.
FPS energy drop MOA
200 2591 2608 -2.8 [ 1.25]
300 2476 2383 -10.8 [ 3.50]
400 2365 2172 -24.5 [ 5.75]
500 2256 1977 -44.4 [ 8.50]
600 2150 1796 -71.1 [ 11.25]

give or take a few inches... and there is only 16 inches of drift in a 10 mph wind at 600.

as you can see there is almost 1800 ft lbs of energy at 600 way more than enough for any hog you could encounter.

this round is very over looked but you cannot ignore it. It flat out perfroms the 300WM with the right bullets.

the only thing I would change .. and I still may, is I would have Chris put in an HS detachable mag.

the rifle in the pics weight about 14 lbs but once you are used to it you are glad you have the extra weight if ya need to take a long poke.. which Chris and his building ability make that easy...

the good news is that if he builds an identicle rifle ( except for the HS detach ) I have 2 loads I know will shoot sub .5 MOA alrady worked up for you!

feel free to ask any questions ya want. If I have the $$ I build another one just as a back up .. hehehehe
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Old 10-18-2005, 05:16 PM
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Re: Your thoughts on gun pick - deer & feral pig

Ok, that put me over the top. The jury is in and I'm sold. Which stock are you using? Also, do you have a photo you could post or is there one somewhere on another thread?
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