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Old 03-10-2008, 03:07 PM
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Would floating this barrel help me? (A newb's first post)

I recently found this forum and have spent 3-4 days reading it for hours! I can't thank you guys enough for the time you've put into this site! I've been hunting and shooting since I was old enough to lift a gun, and even though the subject has always fascinated me, I've never truly known much about long range shooting. I've learned so much here... it's unreal!

My current deer rifle is an out-of-box Winchester Model 70 Shadow in .30-06. I got it in 2000 and I've always had it zeroed at 150 yards (true long range shooting isn't very feasible where I usually hunt). I had babies born starting a few years ago and it's really put my shooting time down... so this rifle has MAYBE had 30-40 rounds put through it - total.

I have so many questions to ask you guys, but I'm trying to find as many answers as I can on the forums on my own before I take up yalls' time with questions that have already been addressed. Here's one thing that I can't seem to find out, and I know it's probably a total newbie question, but here goes:

Since my rifle has a composite stock/forearm (not wood), would I see improvement in accuracy by floating the barrel? Or is floating really only beneficial to wood rifles?

Again, I'm very excited about finding this site, and I cannot thank you guys enough for your time. From what I've read at this point, I've come to respect several of the senior members already! My current goal is 1000 yard accuracy, even if it's just milk jugs. (On a side note, what's the general consensus of a .30-06 being effective on white tails at 1000 yards?) Thanks for any insight you guys can give me regarding my .30-06... I'd really like to tweak it to be able to do some amazing things.
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Old 03-10-2008, 06:56 PM
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welcome to the site. i hope you have a strong marriage this gets addicting. as far as your barrel goes you want to let the barrel f;oat on its own anything that touches it will affect the repeatability of it.
30-06 AS A DEER RIFLE IF YOU DID THE RIGHT SET UP YOU COULD GET OUT THERE. I LOOKED UP ON EXBAL A FEDERAL 150 GR BULLET I THNK IT WAS POWER SHOK. THE GUN ONLY HAS 650 LBSOF ENERGY AT 650 YARDS THAT MAX TO KILL A DEER. IF YOU WENT TO A VLD BULLET YOU WILL BE ABLE TO EXTEND YUOR RANGE. THIS WILL MEAN YOU WILL BE RELOADING.. GOOD LUCK DONT WORRY ABOUT ASKING QUESTIONS THAT WHY WE ARE HERE...

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Old 03-10-2008, 07:50 PM
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The stocks on that series of gun isin't as bad as some , though it ain't great. Generaly what I have found is that the vast majority of factroy guns can benifit from a good bedding job and free floating the barrel. Now seeing that you have had the gun for this long and have hunted with it I'm pretty sure that the barrel wasen't broke in properly seeing that you have only a minimal amout of rounds through it.

My advice would be to first , adjust the trigger a bit lighter as I'm sure its in the 5-7lb range unless its been adjusted since it was bought. After that I'd bed it then after the bedding is dried free float the barrel. These are three things the avaerag guy thats semi handy can do at home for under $50. After all that get yourself a couple boxes of cheap ammo and a good cleaning set and head to the range to shoot and break in the barrel. After the barrelis brkoe in and fouling less that it was get a couple differant boxes of ammo that you would like to shoot and find what the gun wants to eat the best. Several companies make match quality ammo for the 30-06 using either 168gr or 175gr Sierra Match King bullets ,either of these bullet run out of the 30-06 at modern pressures will make it to 1000yds accurately. For shooting deer at 1K I'd use at least the 175gr SMK or 180gr Ballistic tip.
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Old 03-10-2008, 08:47 PM
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The One Thing To Remember Is That You Have A Synthetic Stock. They Are Injected Molded. These Are Designed To Release From Sticky Things, Meaning That If You Put Bedding In That Stock It Will Only Last So Long. If You Are Going To Do That Spend Alittle Money And Change The Stock To Laminate Or Fiberglass. Ther Are Alot Of Stocks Out There That Will Cost Around 150 Used. Then Bed The Rifle. If You Do The Other Thing That James Was Sying You Will Have Alot Better Chance At Those 1000 Yard Shots...
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Old 03-10-2008, 08:57 PM
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you can make the bedding work in those molded stock but it takes a little more work with the dremal tools and the understanding on what a mechanical lock is and how to make them into the bedding area. But you right , you can get a decinet stock for a very reasonable price. The Hogue over molded stocks can be had Piller bedded for just under $100 and a full length bedding block for around $180 (dealer cost) both of wich are good upgrades from what you have.

BUT , like I said if your kinda handy and have a person to walk you through the process doing your own bedding job isin't that big of a deal , owrst case you glue the action to the stock and you have to destroy the stock to get it loose , what better reason to get a new stock !!:p
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Old 03-10-2008, 09:29 PM
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GABR:
James is right, for your stage of the game you can do three things. He's also right about the order.

1. trigger job. check it and have it set between 2 and 3 pounds.

2. action bedding. You can do this yourself, if you search this site you will find instructions. If you can't find them here, just google it and you'll find lots of instruction.

3. float the barrel. once bedded, then float your barrel.

There are a lot of people here that are a lot smarter and more experienced than me, but I think most would agree with this. The basis for me to say this is that I've gone through the very same thing. My rifle started out as a Remington 700 mountain rifle -- synthetic stock, stainless steel action and barrel. the above steps are what I did and it managed to improve my accuracy some and I didn't invest that much money. Ultimately though, I bought an HS Precision stock and have sent the gun off to the gunsmith to have it rebarreled (and all the various action work that goes along with rebarreling)

My final two cents will be on the efficacy of the '06 as a 1000yard gun on deer. I'd counsel you against that. 650 yards would be a good outside range for that cartridge. With a 1000yard shot, given the remaining energy, you would have little room for error in terms of shot placement. But, like I said, that's just my two cents.

Good luck and have fun!
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Old 03-11-2008, 05:14 AM
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GABR13L,
Take that junk stock and give it to somebody you don't like,with a smile and a handshake.Go straight to your local gunshop,and order a HS Precision stock with all the bells and whistles in the varmint style.
This will negate all the debate about floating your barrel,it will be done by the stock for you.
You may have to special order the inlet size for your barrel,if it isn't a heavy barrel.
If you can't order the correct size inlet,you may have to settle for the sporter style,but there's nothing wrong with those anyway,still has aluminium bedding block,floated barrel and nice semi flat fore end for bipod use.
I think the effective range of the 30-06 is somewhat less than 1000 yds,unless you use a projectile like the J-36 ,we must remember that TARGET bullets are exactly for that purpose,TARGETS.
Also,you need to use a bullet with high BC,something like the Nosler 200gr Accubond,BC .588,and I don't think the 30-06 can push it fast enough for that range.So I would keep my shots inside 650 yds just because you don't want wounded game on your conscience.
Good Luck with whatever you decide!
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