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Old 10-08-2011, 07:36 AM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

I don't think blueprinting any action to a virtual zero tolerance fit of the bolt to the receiver is all that important to accuracy. 'Smiths squaring up the bolt and receiver faces on Win. 70 actions, fitting good barrels and using conventional epoxy bedding (no pillars) have had them shost test groups smaller than current 600 and 1000 yard benchrest records. That's for records requiring at least 10 or more shots per group and are the aggregates. Single 5-shot group records are meaningless for comparing accuracy; they represent the smallest group shot; all the other are larger; much larger.
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Old 10-11-2011, 05:18 AM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

LongBomber is right. I will add this though. The Surgeon's come with bottom metal, integrated picatinny base, and recoil lug.

You will most likely spend about another $150 - $250 for a custom action.

As for the difference in function/accuracy, well that all depends on the smith running the lathe.

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Old 10-12-2011, 08:17 AM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

At the risk of being labeled the poster boy of budget builds here is how I see it:
Custom actions are a must for any cartridge larger than RUMs. Yes you can get 338 LM built on one, but smiths kind of frown on it. Custom actions will be built to spec and will work right out of the box. They can also have nice features (eg. side mounted bolt release, one piece bolts, fluted bolts, etc. ) Without question they will be stiffer and offer more threading area to provide better barrel support. And finally you will have lots better resale. If money is not a restriction, and you worry about resale ( I personally believe in "feed em barrels"), then custom actions are really the way to go.

If cost is your decision maker, and you don't care about resale, you can actually save lots of money by going the donor gun route. Watch the big box stores and the internet(Bass Pro, Dicks, Academy, Buds). They are always putting SPS 700s for sale for around $500.00. If you are going to go the magnum route, you need a magnum bolt face buy a 7mm Rem, easier to sell the new takeoff barrel. Look at the barrel makers that offer smithing services this is the best bang for your buck as an example hart will true your action, fit and chamber the barrel for $650.00 barrel and shipping included, if you subtract the cost of the barrel that comes to $300 total smiting costs. You can sell the barrel for about $60 dollars So now you have $1080.00 in a barreled action, trigger, and bottom metal. This is a good way for some people to get into the sport, that might not otherwise be able to.

Now after saying all of that, my next build will be on a custom action because while they do have nice features, they make a build look really cool .
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:32 PM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

Ile just give you my 20cents worth. I dont see the point in buying a rem700 at all. We have 2 tikka T3s and a sako A7 and these all shoot 1/2moa with factory ammo out of the box. all we have done is lighten the triggers. with handloads you can get 1/4moa pretty easily. Whats the point in buying a 700 then having to get it trued and piss about with it when there are factory rifles that will shoot just as well. for hunting is there any need to shoot better than 1/2moa? I dont think so
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:43 PM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

Interesting note on round actions for the big magnum cartridges.......

When the Rem. 7XX actions came on the market, many folks barreled them for 30 caliber magnums for long range matches. After a hundred or so rounds shooting 180 grain and much heavier bullets, they torqued loose in their epoxy bedding. The US Army active duty and reserve teams tried using a 2-inch long recoil lug instead of the original factory one. That didn't work either. Folks finally did what the benchresters did for even the small 22 and 24 caliber rounds; sleeved 'em in a flat sided and bottom aluminum bar. That finally worked.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:28 PM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

I have had numerous $49 mausers that I spun new quality barrels on in my little shop that shot 1/2 MOA. I feel that any modern action that does not have any major defect can be a shooter. That said, I have seen 3 different rem 700s that were way out of spec. It just takes time and/or money to true them up, so it's really up to the shooter based on their preference or budget.
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