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Old 10-04-2010, 01:22 PM
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What is the real advantage??

How much more accurate are the aftermarket actions that you can buy in relation to a trued up rem 700. I've been looking at places like surgeon actions and was wondering if they're actually worth the cash or if you can get the same performance from a blueprinted rem 700 action??
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Old 10-08-2010, 12:40 PM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

I do not own a custom action but have been reading as much as I can on the subject, maybe for my next build. I do however have a factory Savage that (before pushing a couple thousand rounds through) was a true 1/4moa performer. I also have a Rem 700 action that Kirby Allen had worked over and it is also a true 1/4moa rifle. Do I think a custom action would perform any better...I really don't see how it could. The reason I am looking into one is because I want more performance then my current .338 EDGE (it gets addicting and you seem to always want more!). To get such performance I need to take a step up in cartridge size and need a larger action.
It also seems to be the consensus that a custom action holds more of its value.
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Old 10-09-2010, 12:01 PM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

I'm sure I'll get beat up for this but unless you are shooting something like one of the Kirby Allen hot rods or you are planning on competing I don't believe the custom actions are necessary. They are smoother and better looking but if you have a well built tuned up Remington or Savage the accuracy difference shouldn't be much different.
I have two Remington 700 actions done by Hart and both shoot 1/2" or better at 100 yards. I have a Savage tuned by Kevin at Stockade and it shoots about the same. These are all different calibers, 7WSM, 6BR, and 300 win mag.
The big advantage with the custom actions is they don't need rework. If you have a rifle and want to add a barrel and tune up it is cheaper but if you are going with a ground up custom then stick with a custom action.
All of mine were pretty good shooters before I had them tuned and rebarreled.
Bottom line is if you have an action use it, if you don't buy a custom it will be cheaper in the long run.
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Old 10-09-2010, 12:22 PM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

If you already have a M700 action for your build then there is no need for a custom action, unless the action is beyond what can be blue printed. If you had to go out and buy a donor rifle, then a stiller/phoenix/Defiance/Borden etc become a toss up. By the time you pay for the rifle (even with selling off the other parts to reduce cost) and pay to have the action trued you are just under the cost of a custom action. The custom action may be built out of better materials and be able to take higher pressure without having problems, like lug setback which can happen in a Rem 700 action. If you were going to build a rifle with a case that is any fatter than a wsm/rum then I would look to a custom action.

I was at a F-class comp a few months back and several of the shooters were using trued Remington actions. It's all in what you want when looking at custom actions. It may not be a case of need.
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Old 10-10-2010, 08:00 PM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

If you are shooting BR comp. it is nice to have a custom to squeeze every last bit out of it. Certain customs are stiffer depending on port configuration or single shot, not much of a big deal. The main thing that is better in customs over a printed Rem is the bolt fit. With that being said my last build was on a Rem with a PTG tight fit bolt and it is tighter than my Stiller. As said if you have a Rem use it If not Add up the cost and you might be able to get a custom for the same Price. My last Rem build is one of my most accurate rifles custom actions included.
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Old 10-10-2010, 08:48 PM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

Thanks everyone I reallyyyy appreciate all the help I get on this site...I've decided to stay with the rem action on the build I'm doing since I already have it...In the future if I'm shooting something bigger I might go with a custom action to get all the performance out of it that I can...
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Old 10-10-2010, 11:47 PM
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Re: What is the real advantage??

Defensive Edge (Shawn Carlock) builds all of his Edges on Rem 700 actions.

As long as you are sticking with a RUM size cartridge head its not a big deal. Especially as said above, you already have a 700 action to donate to the build.

However, the resale value of the resulting build will be much less than the same build with a custom action. I don't know why but that's the way it is.

The custom action arrives already trued which means the cost of the Rem action, plus truing is saved.

I have one custom on a Rem 721 action, one DIY non custom on an untrued Rem 700. Both are good solid consistent 1/2 MOA shooter. One cost about 1800 the other about 800. I couldn't sell either for squat.

I have a super hooty build coming with a Bat action and all the pieces equal to it. It's a once in a life time build and most probably my last. It will maintain its value regardless of how long I have it, much much better than the other two. Plus it will shot as well or better.
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