I don't know if you've seen the pic before, but I do it the same way. You've described how and why it works more consistant than anything else already too. I've used the Stoney Point and the other methods too, this is by far the most accurate method. You can monitor throat errosion to the thou it's so accurate... given the fact you save and use the very same bullet to do it. It takes about 1-2 minutes to get 3 or 4 readings to make sure of the consistancy for each bullet you want to get a land contact distance for. Couldn't be any easier or faster too. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] Like me, you can try all the other methods, even the Stoney Point OAL gauge and I'm positive you'll come back to this method for accuracy, speed and simplicity. I'd lay money on it. I size mine before I split the neck, and split them down to the bottom of the shoulder, easy to put more tension on it later if needed and easier to pull the bullet back out to try again.