I would never headspace off of a cartridge! You have know idea were the resizing die was set. It could be short and some other brand of ammo would not fit. Worse yet it could be long and another brand would have excessive headspace. That is why they make headspace gauges. How do you think it would hold up in court that you didn't use the proper gauges? It wouldn't.
As far as a Remmy trigger going off when the safety is flipped off, that is a piss poor trigger job. Not the trigger's fault.
Also about the nut, if it was the right way to do things or the best way, every gun manufacturer would do it. It's not. Now I am not saying it's wrong but I am sayiing it was the easiest for Savage.
I never said the extractor couldn't be modified, I said it would take a little time.
As far as feeding the Lapua in a Savage, no ones make aftermarket mags for it.
For a Remmy you have Wyatts, SunnyHill, HS, and the AI chassis.
Texas asked which would you do a custom 338 in?
It would be cheaper to do it in a Remmy because of everything I have noted. Would you want to pay $65 an hour to get a smith to make or modify a mag for a Savage or drop in a HS floorplate in a couple of minutes?
It is not that I like Savages or Remmy. Personally I think they all suck and Nesika is the way to go.
But there is a reason why most custom rifles are built on Remington's.
I am not saying that Savages are total crap- out of the box they are the most accurate rifle. But there is better building blocks for customs than a Savage.
I understand where you're comming from, I think. If I were in buisiness, I would use a gauge for a customers rifle for the same reasons you mention. I would also prefer a 700 for my custom build up, for some of the reasons you mentioned.
Most guys setting the headspace on their Savages are doing it with fired cases from
a rifle that has been heaspaced with a gauge, so it's at or a little tighter than it would be when using a gauge anyway. At the risk it might not chamber some or any factory ammo. I don't shoot factory ammo, most people I know don't either. If you do, buy a gauge and use it...
If the barrel nut design was used by all for years, the shoulder design without the nut would probably be looked down on just the same, one of them status quo things IMHO.
I'd rather own a Remmy or a Savage over a nesika bay action with the quality control issues they been having.
Mag box modifications -
I'm not sure what the differences are between them, but I wouldn't think it would be too labor intensive to make/convert a box for a Savage. Time is money. Have you ever done one, and any idea what it takes to, and time?
I don't have a problem with my 700 triggers, though I do have most of them at 2# or better so they're reliable with just the adjustments tweaked.
I joind this forum just to tell you this. I spoke to the folks at savage about a month ago to see if they were going to be chambering the 6.5x47 Lapua in there target rifles. I was informed no but they were waiting on final aproval and had already started getting tooling in to start chambering 338 lapua magnum in there target rifles and law enforcement series.dont know if that helps but im ordering one!!!
I have two of the Savage Target action that qualify as challenges if you will.
I am currently shooting a 338 X 378 Weatherby and the 510 Rouge based on the blown out and improved 460 Weatherby case. A lot of rounds and not a problem. With the factory RUM baffle I can extract the spent cases without a hitch.
There is a major difference between the standard hunting Accutrigger and the match Accutrigger that comes on the target action. Yes the standard trigger cleans up quite nicely. There are two exceptional drop in replacement triggers at Sharp SHooters Supply. I haven't purchased their new match trigger yet as the only way I can get it is with an accuracy package and that I do myself. I haven't replaced an accutrigger yet as I like them for my needs (hunting)a lot. Like the grip safety on my 1911's, the gun will not fire period unless I intend for it to fire.
Barrel nut: Ever wonder why the Savages shoot so well out of the box? Not for once have I thought the sixty dollar factory barrel on a Stevens was of the quality of a 3-$400. after market barrel. I do believe that the nut that some like to complain about not only locks the barrel in place. It also is a tension nut which in my opinion does a great job at working with the harmonics of the barrel. Not sure how much the floating self aligning bolt head has to do with that accuracy! I will bet bunches though.
Now for those who did not see the change in the Savage nut at the shot show. My 510 has a none flat sided spanner nut ( we did ours before Savage revealed theirs)which is the same size as the action or 1.340. It is also made in this case somewhat longer than a typical nut so that half of my 460 Weatherby case is surrounded by 1.340. SO we have a 1.260 barrel cut and threaded to 1.125 roughly, threaded into the action and a longer than normal nut with an o.d. of 1.340 or what I call an added margin for error. I do not think its needed but its there. If this thing did not shoot so well I would take it apart and teflon coat everything so one would just think that the Savage action was 2" longer than normal. The oversized recoil lug is exactly 1.340 as well.
Is there a down side to the Target action?
1. The action sells for $445. on up so its quite reasonable.
2. One can buy quality inexpensive barrels for any application ready to thread on.
3. Other than an action wrench and barrel nut or spanner wrench no other tools are required ( required) to change a barrel. Hence gunsmiths are not needed. Just set the barrel against a case and tap the wrench and away you go. I use class three threads so the nut is just insurance.
4. I can change barrels at the range without a vise while others watch in five minutes. I can change bolt heads from 204 to you name it at the range as well in not much more time. No gunsmith needed. Just a longer or shorter pre-set firing pin/ baffle and bolthead and an allen wrench.
I have referrred to gunsmiths twice now so I feel I must clarify. My best friends are gunsmiths and over the years I have supported them while they raised their children. SInce I ran across the Savage I do not have to stand in line for my next fetish to get done. So what I use to donate to my buddies, I use to buy my next barrel or two.