Dave, I'm a huge Model 70 fan. I have a 7mm rem mag, 22-250, 25-06, and am putting together a 7mm STW all on M70 actions. My question is what makes the M70 that much stronger than the M700? Is it the extra metal in the front of the action and the integral recoil lug. I'm not a smith but it looks to me the Winny would be easier to bed. By the way, I'm also putting together a 300 RUM built on a M700 Remmy. It will be my only Remmy.
RDM, nice looking rig. i heard a fellow explain this and got his information from the book, Rifle Accuracy Facts, by Harold Vaughn. he said they tested the gravity induced stress put on an action and reported the strength of each. supposedly the win was 3x as strong as the rem in this particular test. i don't have the book, maybe someone can chime in and verify if this is accurate.
I wasen't knocking the winchester but I have an issue with 3x as strong
for several reasons .
1 =The port size has a lot to do with the bending/flexing strength of an action.
2 =The cross section of the action at the center of the port would have to be
3x the thickness of a remingtion to be 3x stronger because they use the same
On the strength issue they are all built with a 50% safety factor so it does not
matter as long as they do what they were designed to do.
H P White laboratories tested all factory actions to see how much they could
take and they were able to blow up every action except one by overloading
the round well above SAAMI specs remingtion was one of the last to give it
up only the weatherby stayed together(Even though it welded its self with
molten brass and could not be hammered open).
A little side note; Try to buy a new mod 70 for under $400.oo .
As I stated in my first post It all boils down to what you like and I prefer factory
actions in this order. weatherby,remingtion,sako,savage,ruger,winchester and mauser
based on my experiences with accuracy,cost,dependability,machine tolerance and
I,m sure I hurt some feelings with my order of likes but it is just "MY" opinion for what its worth.
So if you want a better/stronger action than the factorys then buy a Custom Action.
Besides I just got back to ground zero for IKE and found I still have a house and all of my
guns (Including some winchesters)and consider my self lucky!!!!!!!!
Dave, Thanks for the compliment that rifle gets quite a few for some reason. I guess the test your speaking of is an action "flex" test? I could understand the M70 testing better in that type of test as it has the integral lug and all that flat metal under the action where is it is actually bedded to the stock. Where as the M700 is a round "cylinder" screwed to the stock. The M700 probably has more actual suface contact with the stock than the M70.
JE, Glad you still have a home. I work for an Electric co. that has been doing power restoration around Baton Rogue and Laffayette. My crew was going to Texas and work following Ike but they decided to keep us home because 2 fellow lineman had a contact accident last night. Anyway, the action wouldn't have to be 3x as thick if it is machined with "gussets" along the length of the action or has a flat bottom as some custom single shot actions do. That doesn't mean it will handle 3x as much pressure, it just flexs 3x less. Am I understanding this correctly? If the M70 flexs .006", for example, the M700 would flex .018" if anchored to the same barrel. Anyway, you didn't hurt my feelings. I like intelligent debates with logical opinions and factual info to back it up. It's how I learn. Having said all that, I've learned I'm still a DUMBA$$. Jeez.