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Old 01-06-2002, 07:36 PM
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Re: Reloading equipment

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If you want complete reliability, fantastic factory support and accuracy, buy an Oehler 35P. If you are inclined to delve deaper, need to know chamber pressures, time of flight, BC's and don't mind having stuff glued to your rifle - buy the Oehler 43 (needs to have a laptop, get the accoustic mic's while you are at it). If you have an indoor rifle range and can afford the best, then the Oehler 83 and while you are at it, a universal receiver pressure gun (talking in the tens of thousands of dollars, needs a computer and preferably a printer and acoustic mic's - can tell you velocity of each round fired in a machine-gun burst). If you just plain have too much money and need the ultimate toy, get a Doppler chronograph - it will tell you how fast you are walking when you go to check your targets, no screens, needs a computer & printer - about 100 big ones.
Or you could buy a Micky-Mouse unit and end up getting a 35P later.
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Old 01-06-2002, 07:51 PM
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Re: Reloading equipment

Darryl comes through again! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Everyone has given a lot of great info, thanks guys.

Looks like I'll be getting the Rockchucker press, redding comp dies, Oehler 35P (the other seem somewhat excessive for now Ian [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] ). I am still undecided on case trimmer, and neck turner (I think I will get a Wilson or K&M case trimmer, however the Forster looks good because it can do both). Are handheld neck turner very good? Or, would I be suited with a bench mounted one?

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Old 01-06-2002, 08:55 PM
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Re: Reloading equipment

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I agree with Darryl about the presses--you can't beat an arbor press with Wilson type hand dies for seating bullets, but for sizing the bigger cases (especially full length) most arbor presses (made for reloading) spring too much to maintain concentricity, but you can't beat the compound leverage presses like the Rockchucker (or equivalents), the Ultra Mag and the Bonanza Co-Ax (with large yoke) using bushing sizers, lapped sizers and body dies.

Dan
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Old 01-06-2002, 09:42 PM
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Dan, What would you estimate the difference in accuracy would be at 100 & 200 yards between arbor press loads and Conventional press (Rockchucker) loads (both with excellent match dies ofcourse)?
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Old 01-06-2002, 11:17 PM
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I really don't know what the difference would be at those ranges but at 1000 yds you should keep your concentricity within .001" which is hard to do sometimes with the best set-ups but you can feel the spring in most of the common arbor presses and light duty conventional presses (7/8x14 die type).
If you use the Forster for neck turning make sure your pilot is only slightly smaller (under .001") than your expander or the I.D. of your neck (if you don't use an exp), also buy an extra stop collar (or make one) and put it directly behind the ONT attachment on the cutter shaft and lock it in place after you determined where you want the cutter to stop in relation to the shoulder junction, then you can take off the ONT attachment for cleaning out brass and lubing pilot. Remember that if you are turning long cases (300 Wby, etc) that this trimmer should be bought with the long base not the standard.
The hand turners work well too, epecially the K&M with a power driver.

Dan
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Old 01-07-2002, 12:00 AM
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Re: Reloading equipment

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If and when you order an Oehler I suggest that you also get the tripods and carrying case at the same time - plus at least one extra complete Skyscreen and 2 extra Skyscreen bodies and 2 or 3 diffuser tops and side bars - that way you can keep going after you put one of your new handloads a little low and you see some plastic flying about.

Pretty sure you can order direct from Oehler, they are the friendliest folk in the industry.
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Old 01-07-2002, 12:44 AM
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Re: Reloading equipment

My .02...
I have it on excellent authority that "the Only" way to reload is with an arbor press and Niel Jones hand dies. The press is about $110, the dies $200. Niel is on the internet and you can find a link to him off of benchrest.com. Sinclair Int. has the presses.
That said, I use a Hornady 007 without the "Lock & Load" feature. It's essentially a red Rock Chucker.
I use Redding Competition Dies for anything I want to be really accurate.
I can't say enough good things about the Hornady hand primer... It's well made and consistant. If you don't mind feeding primers into the hand tool one at a time with tweezers, the Sinclair tool is awsome.
A "must have" for any serious handloader is the RCBS Case Master. It measures neck and bullet runout, case head separation and neck thickness. The runout measurement is invaluable for die setup. The case head separation measurement for case/chamber life.
The Forster case trimmer with the neck turning attachment for those two functions. The RCBS model has too much flex to give consistant trims, and the Sinclair neck turner is too slow compaired to the Forster with a Skill Twist attached.
10-10 scale, but I'll go digital one of these years.
RCBS powder trickler (manual).
Stoney Point Comparitor with inserts for the calibers you shoot is a must.
I'd also recommend at least 3 (4-6 would be better) reloading manuals. Sierra, Nosler, the two part Hornady. Even better is the line of One Book, One Caliber (or however they say it) available from Cabela's. Those books, don't have every bullet/powder combination available for say, 30-06. But man do they try! With the load information they list, you can extrapolate data for just about anything you'd care to try.
Which measure I use is unimportant. I hand weigh every charge.
Hornady Bullet puller that mounts in your press. Those kinetic jobs give me the willies.
RCBS case prep station with the Lee accessory kit installed on it. Yes, you can do your camforing (camphoring?) and deburring, and such with hand tools... but not once you've used this little gem!
One last (quick?) comment. If the range is too far away from you to build loads at home and then drive to shoot them, consider setting up a range box with the equipment you need and setting it up on a Work Mate. I use a Lee Hand Press and a tackle box with my goodies in it to save on that long (8 minute) drive. It allows me to develope loads based on what I see down range rather than going home to pull bullets and start over.
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