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Old 09-05-2011, 12:29 PM
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Questions about a LR Build, mainly rifle weight

Hello

Well, just can't make my mind up on a build. What I'm looking for is a small caliber, 6.5mm-7mm, ranges would be up to 600-700. It will be carried, on sheep and caribou hunts, but a majority of the rounds through it will be from a bench.

I started the build hoping to make a lighter sheep rifle than the one I have, started with a savage 10, 22 inch 260 barrel, shortened factory stock. Actually did pretty good, bare rifle weighs 6.25 pounds.

Problem is, scoped up and ready it only weighs 1/2 less than my current sheep gun, a rem 700 in 300wm, this gun sports a lightweight hart barrel, and pretty much every off the shelf product to loose weight,, and is a shooter, as long as I really watch my rate of fire, light barrel contour so it starts walking pretty bad if I don't keep the heat down.

So,,, my thoughts now is to make a rifle more suited to extended ranges, My first question is rifle weight, a lot gets posted here on light 6-8lb walking long range rigs. I guess I question the accuracy of these light weights at distance? Might being opening a can of worms here, but what would an honest distance be with a 6 pound rifle? So much is also talked about the heavies, 10 pound and up rifles too,,,,,my experience here would be a super lightweight 7-08 of a buddies, he did (and I) shoot it great to 200 or so but after that the gun really opened up, not discounting the fact that it could be the load too, but at ranges past 300 that gun was just hard to hold well

As for my own personal best shooter at distance was a 22-250 remington varmit rifle, shot that rifle great to distance, partly I feel because it weighed 14 pounds and had a more suitable scope (more magnification) But only shot that particular rifle to about 400 or so.

I'm thinking of something in the 9-10 pound range, ready to go. As for caliber, started with the 260, and not that I'm questioning the effectivness of the round, living in AK, I always come back to what the minimum caliber I would take a interior grizzly with? (might be why my two current centerfires are a 300wm and a 375ruger) So my current lines of thinking is to go with either the 270wsm or the 7 wsm or saum, puts me up into the heavier bullets and better bc's

These do take me out of the "light recoiling" relm a bit. Another wish list item is a gun I can shoot more, I've found I need to watch how many time I fire my 300wm,,(30 rounds is typical in a session, don't like to shoot many more than that between cleaning anyway) I find myself flinching a bit, its even a bit more pronounced with my 375,,,,, Figure I'd build it up then see if a muzzle brake is in order. The other option is back to the 7-08 too,

So whats everyones thought on rifle weight for 600-700 yards?

And then caliber,,,looking for a flat enough shooting rifle, could live with bullets as light as 140.

Thanks for any input
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Old 09-05-2011, 12:52 PM
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Re: Questions about a LR Build, mainly rifle weight

Well I would suggest a Manners MCST ultalight stock to get the weight down. A 26" light countour barrel from a good maker.

Nothing wrong with the 260rem but if the bear thing is an issue then I would consider a 300 or 338 wsm add a muzzle brake to tame the recoil of the light rig.
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:59 PM
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Re: Questions about a LR Build, mainly rifle weight

i don't know what your budget is but have you considered a carbon wrapped barrel.i have read some articles where people have been having good success with them.here is one of the articles i read that got me thinking about a good lightweight accurate rifle


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Old 09-05-2011, 10:05 PM
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Re: Questions about a LR Build, mainly rifle weight

Man, may have mislead you guys, I'm figuring on a heavy sporter or light varmit barrel. Either 24-26. For the stock I may go a bit old school and use a properly sealed, pillar and regular bedded wood stock

I guess just wondering on the typical weight of most folks 600 yard guns?

Also, the more I think about it, figuring on the 7-08. Most of my shooting will be paper, I'd like a nice soft shooter to work with for form and trigger time.

Not too worried on the bear thing, if targeting them I'd pick a different rifle, but give the chance at a interior griz, like to know I'm at least bringing a 140 to the table
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:27 PM
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Re: Questions about a LR Build, mainly rifle weight

A 7-08 will use a short action, that'll save some weight. Also, a 7-08 is highly efficient and doesn't need a 24 or 26 barrel to get optimum velocities. You could go slightly heavier on the countour and fluted and 22" length and be good to go, or stay with the lighter countour and still go 22" finished length.

My newest light weight rifle is 9 1/2 lbs with scope, about 7 1/2 without scope and rings. Kirby Allen (Allen Precision Shooting) built it and said it shot 5 rounds into a sub 4" group at 900 yds. I haven't shot it yet, just got scope mounted today. It's about the perfect weight for an all around packing and cross-over to long range rifle IMO.

If you want to go really light, as previously mentioned; look into the carbon wrapped barrels. Christnson Arms has made some good ones. I know a guy that shoots one and he says it'll hit milk jugs at 800 yds every time if he calls the wind right. It's a very light rifle.
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:57 PM
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Re: Questions about a LR Build, mainly rifle weight

SBruce, don't leave me hanging, what's your build? Your new rifle specs

I started with the 260, actually picked up a lightweight 22 sporter, currently trying to sell that ( not even shot it for accuracy). Figure I want to be around 9 or 10. And want to put the weight in the barrel

So for those of you shooting 7 pound ready to go rifles, what's you effective range? One of those things, when you drag everything in on your back, everything gets micro managed. You should see me sort through gear! Taking two or three pairs of socks could be a 2 hour decision!?

But for the important stuff like a rifle, don't mind a bit more weight if it's going to help close the deal

As for barrel length, I've see some software that gives a idea of complete powder burn charts? That ringing any bells with people??
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Old 09-06-2011, 01:38 AM
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Re: Questions about a LR Build, mainly rifle weight

I use to shoot a factory Rem 700 BDL 308. With scope and five rounds the rifle weighed in just over 7 lbs. On bench it was decent out to 650 yards + or -. 650 was as far as I could take the rifle at that time due to range limitations. Under field conditions, I have harvested White Tails out to 450 yards. Since then the rifle has been retired.

I currently run heavier rigs. I find that I do better with the heavier setups at the distances that I am shooting at now.
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